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What is your personal head canon?

If you can tolerate "Young Wesley Crusher" and early ST:TNG, I think you can get past the early parts of ST:Prodigy that irks you.

You watch Super Sentai & Kamen Rider, just like I do. I'm sure there are certain characters / seasons you aren't fond of, yet you power through.

Bold of you to assume that I rewatch Wesley Crusher episodes. Even when I was rewatching a bunch of TNG before bed a few months ago my TNG Season 1 and 2 viewing still skipped episodes like Justice. Its no coincidence that Wesley's best episode was after he was no longer a regular crew member and was an actual Starflee Cadet (The First Duty). He dragged TNG down until Gene finally lost control and the show became good, at which point Wesley got majorly toned down from his early "precocious teen saves the day" stuff. Defending Prodigy by pointing out something else bad is, once again, not helping your case.

Plus Wesley is one character, and even at his worse he contributes (too much, admittedly) to solving a problem but its still the adults who almost always do the work. He's one (terrible) teen character in a cast of adults, one who is explicitly a genius who has been raised around Starfleet his whole life. This is a completely different dynamic then a show being exclusively being about a bunch of annoying children with no real education defeating adults with no problem running their own ship, with the only "adult" presence being a hologram.

Again, like Prodigy all you want, I don't want to argue. I had a mildly amusing (to me, at least) idea for a head canon after having given up trying to watch Prodiogy for the third or fourth time so I posted it, there is nothing deeper then that going on.

As for sentai & Kamen Rider, a bad side character is completely different then a bad main character or (as in prodigy's case) literally every main character being intolerable to me. I have not and will never watch every single Sentai or Kamen Rider series because some of them are just (in my opinion) unwatchable, so I guess that makes Prodigy the Kamen Rider Revice or Shuriken Sentai Ninninger of Star Trek.
 
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After locating this in Susan Khouri's record, I wonder if it was meant to be a name for this test:

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My issue with Prodigy is simply that it's written and design for children. That's not a bad thing, children need media too, but as an adult watching it, I feel like it just falls flat as there is basic zero subtlety to it as kids wouldn't understand that.

I've watched it, and I can... appreciate it, especially given the care it takes with the universe and the lore. The stories are just largely uninteresting to me because of the simplicity. I'm not the demographic for it.

Although, there is a "sweet spot". I like Prodigy more than Discovery... which almost tried way to hard to be "adult". It's somewhat similar to LDS, which is basically Prodigy for Adults, but I find the overt silliness to detract from it.

It IS possible to do a humorous, more adult centered Star Trek show. We have proof of that. It's called "The Orville", and to be completely honest that show does Star Trek better than most of the new Star Trek.
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Yes.

Arguably, it's as close as we'll probably get to a sequel for Star Trek: Voyager and fits the tone of it.

Which is somewhat mind boggling, because it's something that many fans clearly want, and a good portion of the cast seems willing to return for it and/or already has ties with Paramount through the newer shows.

Some of the decisions being made are somewhat perplexing... "The fans really loved Picard and are clamoring for a similar style show with Voyager as well as a spinoff of that show? Ok, here's more Discovery-related shows."
 
Id rather they make shows they are passionate about.

Who are "they"? There are plenty of "them" would be passionate about such a project. I'm pretty sure Terry Matalas would pour his heart and soul into a Voyager reunion show.

Making something "they" are passionate about and also creating something fans actually want to see are not mutually exclusive.
 
Who are "they"? There are plenty of "them" would be passionate about such a project. I'm pretty sure Terry Matalas would pour his heart and soul into a Voyager reunion show.

Making something "they" are passionate about and also creating something fans actually want to see are not mutually exclusive.
Kurtzman, in this instance, the person who makes those decisions.

Matalas would no doubt be very passionate, but he's not making those decisions. So, to me anyway, it makes sense that the person making these decisions choses something he is passionate about.

But, I'm the weird guy who doesn't care what the fans want to see. Which fans? How do we define fans?
 
Kurtzman isn't really "making" much of anything, nor do I think he's particularly passionate about the shows. Kurtzman is the corporate guy passing along what executives want.
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Ok, well I think he has enough passion, balanced against the practical realities of financial limitations.

But, I won't claim much beyond what he has stated publicly. I hope "the fans" (whomever they are) get what they want.
 
Back to the headcanon discussion, here's one that another thread made me remember.

Ignoring SNW Tomorrowx3, The Eugenics Wars (emphasis on the plural) were not a single conflict. They were... multiple wars. It's in the name.

The Khan-related part happened in the 90's. The genetic supermen took over largely in Asia, perhaps through the Middle East, built their empires and were ultimately beaten back. Augments don't just disappear, but it becomes something a bit more on the down low and much more regulated.

In the following decades, there could be something like augment witch hunts, where an enemy of someone may accuse the other of being augmented, and while not necessarily illegal (in fact alot of wealthy people were "designer babies"), it's frowned upon by the general populace.

It eventually comes to a head by the 2030's, where the Second American Civil War is triggered by a new American President being proven to be augmented, and beyond just that, actually born of the embryos of the 1st Generation augments, quite literally one of the "genetic supermen". This leads to an all out panic, many believing the US had been taken over by waiting augment forces. They aren't entirely incorrect, this man was born in the 80's while the Augments were building their empires and absolutely intended to be one of them... but the project in the US and most of the western world fell apart, leaving those augments born to just exist. The President himself was never aware of the plans, but he did know his heritage.

There are demands for him to step down, but he refuses. Riots break out, and militia groups start making moves against government assets. Several states band together and demand the Presidents resignation, but he digs and refuses. There is a political split, the Presidents party stands behind him and before long, there is open warfare with several states declaring that they do not recongize the authority of the President.

As the SACW goes on, the destabilization of the US reverberates throughout the world. It would partially prove some of the American secessionists right... with the world in turmoil, augments in waiting take the opportunity to strike, having been fairly recently bolstered by the likes of Adam Soong rejoining the project, quickly growing cloned augment forces and equipping them with advanced technology.

The SACW spurred into a new Eugenics War. Over several years, normal human forces were finally able to once again defeat their augment enemies, who had once again taken to fighting amongst each other. With the world having descended into a massive battlefield and nations across the globe weakened and destabilized, new nations and alliances quickly formed as humans began to reclaim their governments. Unfortunately, this didn't end well, as it inevitably ended up in power grabs by nefarious forces.

With the augments once again defeated, the shattered nations of the world were now scrambling to claim what was left... which only led to further war, and with forces so depleted from the Eugenics War, the literal nuclear option was taken. WW3 ended with a massive nuclear exchange.
 
My personal headcanon is basically the shows as presented but with Disco/SNW/LD as their own "rebooted" universe (since they're so intertwined). JJ-verse is, of course, also a different universe with the most tangenital connection with Prime.

My Prime universe includes Diane Duane's Trek novels and John Ford's "The Final Reflection", as well as certain parts of the old FASA continuity, such as the Four-Years War, the structure of the Klingon Empire (derived from Ford's book anyway), the Triangle region of space, and the division of Starfleet into sub-commands under a unified fleet.

Also certain parts of the older Treknolgy lore when it comes to terminology, like the various engine type designations (PB-series for the old TOS style nacelles, LN for the movie era, etc).
 
Kurtzman isn't really "making" much of anything, nor do I think he's particularly passionate about the shows. Kurtzman is the corporate guy passing along what executives want.
Kurtzman may be on his way out in any event. Rumor has it that some of the people at Skydance don't get along with him, and the upcoming merger may end this era of Trek in favor of some sort of "fresh start".
 
Making something "they" are passionate about and also creating something fans actually want to see are not mutually exclusive.

If they are "making something for fans", odds are I don't want anything to do with it. Going back to the "Valentine for the Fans" that was "These are the Voyages". I want new ideas brought to Trek, not a bunch of stuff that plays like recycled fan fiction.
 
If they are "making something for fans", odds are I don't want anything to do with it. Going back to the "Valentine for the Fans" that was "These are the Voyages". I want new ideas brought to Trek, not a bunch of stuff that plays like recycled fan fiction.

Those things are not mutually exclusive.

To be honest though, "These are the Voyages" was not a bad concept for an episode... it just wasn't the greatest idea for a series finale.
 
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