Stuff that make you wonder but not own thread worthy

[Gingerbread Demon]

Also Kavis Alpha 4. Home of the nanite civilization. Never mentioned ever again after TNG. You mean Nobody ever even went to take a look.

 

[Farscape One]

That's the one. It was great but shame it was so close to the finale. A follow up would have been great had they had the inclination and time to do so.

If only the soliton wave had been successful. That was a cool idea

"Schisms" was early season 6, so there was time for a follow up within TNG.

As much as I love that one, it kind of adds to the terror that there was no sequel. That sense of dread that they may come back will always be there. That becomes a little less threatening with every revisit... like the Borg.

 

[Mojochi]

But doesn't a lie come after some emotion, so he felt the emotion of anger one could argue, couldn't they?

I'm usually not one to argue against Data possibly having emotions, but in this case it played like he'd just made a calculated decision to safeguard others from being killed by Fajo, & then later to withhold the whole truth, in order to safeguard himself against another possible trumped up trial about whether he should be considered a legit person capable of making those calls.

Now, one could debate the motivation of him being concerned about those things as being of an emotional nature & I might not argue against that. I've always suspected he was somewhat micro-emotive, but I highly rebuke any idea he was acting on emotion when he fired on Fajo. We pretty well saw him working it out in real time.

 

[at Quark's]

Also Kavis Alpha 4. Home of the nanite civilization. Never mentioned ever again after TNG. You mean Nobody ever even went to take a look.

I wanted to reply here that that was by the Nanites' own request, asking them to only return after 300 years because Humans were still too arrogant and primitive, but it turns out those were the Homesoil crystalline lifeforms, not the Nanites.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

I wanted to reply here that that was by the Nanites own request, asking them to only return after 300 years because Humans were still too arrogant and primitive, but it turns out those were the Homesoil crystalline lifeforms, not the Nanites.

I mean even in Discovery's time they had forgotten about this world, but then hey they lost most of their records too.

Or did Section 31 secretly nuke them for fear of grey goo?

 

[Mojochi]

I wanted to reply here that that was by the Nanites' own request, asking them to only return after 300 years because Humans were still too arrogant and primitive, but it turns out those were the Homesoil crystalline lifeforms, not the Nanites.

I always wondered if anyone got put up on violating the prime directive for what happened to those "Ugly Bags of Mostly Water" creatures. The initial issue caused by the terraformers was accidental, but Picard beaming them aboard to be studied is what prompted them to use the ship's lights to rapidly advance. Once they suspected it was a life form, they shouldn't have relocated it.

 

[Farscape One]

I'm usually not one to argue against Data possibly having emotions, but in this case it played like he'd just made a calculated decision to safeguard others from being killed by Fajo, & then later to withhold the whole truth, in order to safeguard himself against another possible trumped up trial about whether he should be considered a legit person capable of making those calls.

Now, one could debate the motivation of him being concerned about those things as being of an emotional nature & I might not argue against that. I've always suspected he was somewhat micro-emotive, but I highly rebuke any idea he was acting on emotion when he fired on Fajo. We pretty well saw him working it out in real time.

I have to agree that the decision was more a calculated one based on Data not being able to leave and that Fajo would have continued doing this to others. If Fajo was gone, it's unlikely the crew would have given a damn about his collecting obsession.

 

[at Quark's]

I always wondered if anyone got put up on violating the prime directive for what happened to those "Ugly Bags of Mostly Water" creatures. The initial issue caused by the terraformers was accidental, but Picard beaming them aboard to be studied is what prompted them to use the ship's lights to rapidly advance. Once they suspected it was a life form, they shouldn't have relocated it.

It is the first thing Picard suggests after the Enterprise computer speculates it is life - that the project leader might have knowingly defied the Prime Directive. But at this point they haven't really connected the dots yet that this might not only be life, but sapient life.

The Prime Directive seems unclear in those matters anyway. They cannot disturb a microbe on primitive planets for fear they might disturb its future evolution, but apparently there's no problem walking around on any planets with flora but apparently no sapient life (such as e.g. in Shades of Grey) - who's to say they won't evolve sapient life in the distant future?

 

[Mojochi]

It is the first thing Picard suggests after the Enterprise computer speculates it is life - that the project leader might have knowingly defied the Prime Directive. But at this point they haven't really connected the dots yet that this might not only be life, but sapient life.

The Prime Directive seems unclear in those matters anyway. They cannot disturb a microbe on primitive planets for fear they might disturb its future evolution, but apparently there's no problem walking around on any planets with flora but apparently no sapient life (such as e.g. in Shades of Grey) - who's to say they won't evolve sapient life in the distant future?

Right. He has a go at the project leader about the PD, even though they were operating under the understanding that others certified the planet lifeless, which logically made their actions less responsible, even though compounding.

What I'm wondering is Picard's culpability thereafter. The events on the surface were 2 mysterious incidents of hijacked equipment, one of which resulted in a crew death, an unusual discovery that could be linked, & Data postulating that the thing they've discovered could be life, even though Geordi doesn't see how.

So, Picard beams it aboard ship. That's pretty crazy. I can think of numerous reasons you wouldn't want to do that, but instead study it down there. Picard's action did as much to alter their development as the terraformers had done by executing some of them. Once they were aboard ship, they went to town feeding photosynthetically off the ship's lights, which aren't much different than the station's, where they never attempted to do that.

Picard actually altered their very evolution by extracting, abducting & isolating them, to the point that who even knows what issues could be at hand with them trying to re-acclimate to their natural habitat that offered very different nutritional conditions

 

[at Quark's]

Would have been a fun twist at the end, the director accusing Picard of violating the PD in term, using those arguments
('We worked on a certified lifeless planet, but you suspected life might be involved, and you still ...')

 

[Mojochi]

Picard: Let's all just agree everybody here has been rather stupid... except you know... the creatures we messed with. Who, as it turns out... not so stupid

 

[HIjol]

Took a second, but this is about a different Borg!
Guess Resistance IS Futile...


https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/20/health/borg-blackout-rage-gallon-wellness/index.html

 

[evilchumlee]

Moriarty seems aware before Geordi even gives the computer instructions, you see him looking intently at them as they use the arch. Makes me wonder if he was a bit self aware before the computer snafu..

I had always taken some of the early holodeck stuff to be a "malfunction" of sorts due to the upgrade they holodeck got in "1011..." (whatever). Less of a malfunction, more of a "oh shit it's actually working too well".

The Season 1 and Season 2 holodeck was kind of wild and seemed to create somewhat sentient beings. The one guy in "The Big Goodbye" at the end questions what will happen to him when the holodeck shuts down... Enterprise's holodeck was absurdly powerful and was probably toned down sometime after Season 2. Yes, Moriarty probably WAS at least somewhat self-aware prior to the computer getting the request to make him defeat Data. That command just gave him more capability.

Later holodeck people seem to have been toned down and generally can't see things like the arch.

On the OP, i've always wanted to see more Dominion worlds. I found the Dominion to be interesting in being sort of a hands-off empire for the most part, where worlds under their control just mostly go about their business their own way, and every so often a Vorta comes along for like, taxes and what not.

 

[Farscape One]

"The Big Goodbye" was produced and aired before the Bynars upgraded the holodeck in "11001001". Moriarty could have been a byproduct of this upgrade, though.

 

[evilchumlee]

"The Big Goodbye" was produced and aired before the Bynars upgraded the holodeck in "11001001". Moriarty could have been a byproduct of this upgrade, though.

Ah had those mixed up in my head.

Still either way, it's implied by "The Big Goodbye" that the holodeck had received some sort of upgrade given how excited Picard was to go play with it. "I actually saw automobiles!"

It may have been whatever upgrade that was that allowed some of the early weirdness with the holodeck.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Ah had those mixed up in my head.

Still either way, it's implied by "The Big Goodbye" that the holodeck had received some sort of upgrade given how excited Picard was to go play with it. "I actually saw automobiles!"

It may have been whatever upgrade that was that allowed some of the early weirdness with the holodeck.

The way he pronounces that too always makes me laugh a lot. Ita just such a funny way to pronce a word.

 

[evilchumlee]

The way he pronounces that too always makes me laugh a lot. Ita just such a funny way to pronce a word.

I think it's why the quote sticks out in my head. "Awh-toe-moh-beels"

Regardless though, it does very much imply that the Enterprise D's holodecks were something new, and given how damn near everything on the E-D is bleeding edge to the point of potentially experimental, those early holodecks may have just been absolutely wild and eventually toned down.

 

[HIjol]

If the show were being made today, think Elon and his Teslas would show up as EEE-Leck-Trick-Vee-Hick-LLS?

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Oh and in Booby Trap air-oh-play-in

Also nah we can't tow the ship out that hours earlier we asked museum people to look at. I know let's just blow it up. I mean didn't they just mark the ship for collection later?

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Oooh another one I just remembered from "Evolution"

in the Star Trek universe Frankenstein is real. Guinan even mentions knowing him. So all those stories are real