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Spoilers Star Trek Discovery - Starships and Technology Season Five Discussion

The major thing that is "Magic Like" is Programmable Matter, that baffles me more than (Replicators / Transporters / Warp Drive / Matter|Anti-matter Reactors / Subspace Comms).
I’ve just figured that programmable matter in this context is basically just the nanotech we already see traces of in early DISCO/SNW, just with about a thousand years further development.
 
Yeah, whether it’s deliberate or not compared to the other ships, it’s a nice detail.

I’m on a similar take though that the tech we see here is almost TOO advanced, to the point where it may as well be indistinguishable from magic. Sure, it’s been 900 years, and familiar elements have their analogs, but very little of it is properly explained where many fans (myself included) feel there should be more explanation. It’s kinda like there was no real explanation in 1966 of what a phaser was or did, other than it was a magical space gun that could stun, kill, disintegrate, overload, power stuff, and heat rocks. Fandom and later productions eventually filled this in to the point that we’re comfy.

32nd century Trek will eventually get to this point too (or I hope it will, if the upcoming Academy series takes place in this era), but right now a lot of it is just THERE without much explanation or comparison to what’s come before? Is programmable matter really better than a replicator? What does a pathway drive do? Right now it’s hand wave technology, which may change, or it may get into the same category how a sonic screwdriver works - it just does . This may be good enough for lots of fans, but not tech nerds like us…

Mark
If tradition is to be followed, first we need ten or twenty years of fan-created tech manuals sold in convention huckster rooms “explaining” all that, then after another few years canon can provide a word-of-God answer onscreen that blows all of that out of the water.
 
Adding in: I parsed through the S5 "coming this season", and the Enterprise SNW sickbay set does look to have a Terran Empire sigil hanging on the wall, albeit in darker colors.

Mark

So that means they’re probably going to retcon the ship we saw in Calypso as the Terran Empire version just to make things all fit despite the other fundamental differences between that Short Trek and DSC seasons 3-5. Man, these guys just love that shoehorn.
 
So that means they’re probably going to retcon the ship we saw in Calypso as the Terran Empire version just to make things all fit despite the other fundamental differences between that Short Trek and DSC seasons 3-5. Man, these guys just love that shoehorn.
We have absolutely no idea yet what, if anything, they’re going to be doing regarding that, and so can take no conclusions about that.
 
Wanna make a bet on that? ;)
While I’m not a betting man, if I were a betting man, I’d consider it. :beer:But my point wasn’t so much that they will or won’t do something in particular, it was that we don’t know yet.

(Your idea actually strikes me as a reasonable way to resolve the Calypso thing, if not the only one.)
 
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Kinda funny that all the time, some fans mentioned that the 32nd century tech isn't as advanced as it should be, and if there are instances showing that it is, there are also complaints :shrug:
 
Kinda funny that all the time, some fans mentioned that the 32nd century tech isn't as advanced as it should be, and if there are instances showing that it is, there are also complaints :shrug:

But its definitely not as advanced as it should be because Disco effectively either discarded or completely ignored most of the stuff that was encountered, recorded/scanned, recreated and used (even if it had kinks).
By the 32nd century, we hadn't seen that any real effort was made into pushing it much further (because lets be realistic, the more advanced a civilisation is, the faster the science and tech will evolve).
For something like the UFP, even with some restrictions on some tech in place, it would still be able to vastly improve over existing technology.

Bottom line is that it was a missed opportunity to really portray Tech in the 32nd century as so vastly different that it would have changed Trek (and there are instances in which its indicated they can't do half of the stuff that was done in the 24th century - which is plain and simple nonsense).

Trek could have really evolved by looking at how such highly advanced tech affected societies as a whole, expand the premise/scope to dive deep into this.

At best, the advancements that Disco in the 32nd century portrayed seemed like they would have been achieved by the mid/late 25th or early 26th century... not 32nd.

And I don't buy the idea of tech development stopping 'just because'. Its nonsense because for an already galaxy spanning organisation, they'd have massive set of redundancies, research and options to use to keep advancing further... which is what would have happened realistically because of all the unknowns, etc.

Basically, the UFP should have been on the level of species 10-C with Dyson Swarms or even Spheres in most systems throughout the Milky Way and nearby Dwarf Galaxies (and possibly a few systems in Andromeda galaxy).

The 24th century up until the Nemesis movie showcased further advancements and streamlining existing tech... but past that point (in fact, when Picard happened)... it was already kinda 'meh' (exception being in Prodigy which seems to be sticking with the Proto-Warp drive tech for now - can't wait to see how they will 'explain' that its not viable for use).

Gotta 'love' the trope of 'invent and forget' in Trek (and most of all, DON'T R&D further - one failure and you're done - eh? Science is about REPEATED set of failures and learning from them... the UFP has a number of methods to experiment in SAFE environment - empty parts of space, holodecks, automated R&D... and none of it is seemingly used).

I am hoping we will see further advancements in Disco, but thus far they just seem to be focusing on the chase.
 
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Kinda funny that all the time, some fans mentioned that the 32nd century tech isn't as advanced as it should be, and if there are instances showing that it is, there are also complaints :shrug:
Fandom? Inconsistent?

(Also: Fandom? To a certain proportion of whom rants are like arguments for Tellarites?)

Though there’s also the practical issue: if the technology on display were really representative of what we’re likely to have in 1000+ years, it’d probably be difficult to impossible for a 21st-century audience to follow — yes, even us super-brilliant Trek watchers.
 
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I would assume The Burn set back technology (or at least the ability to continue building said technology) a century or more.
 
If you want a glimpse at what a technologically fully realized Federation could do, I recommend reading the Star Trek: Department of Temporal Investigations eBook The Collectors. We see a version of London in 3051.
Local space can be traversed in 20 minutes, thanks to subspace beaming. Beaming itself cures most injuries, including some forms of death, because the pattern buffer can just reset you to 'ideal' condition. Tech to fix mobile emitters is part of standard medkits - artificial life is fully equal. Fun fact: the characters discuss how all of it is 24th century tech from TNG - the Federation just hadn't been using it.
 
I would assume The Burn set back technology (or at least the ability to continue building said technology) a century or more.

Not really possible.
For one thing, planets and their technology/infrastructure were left largely intact. Backups of databases exist in a ridiculous redundancy systems (SF is THAT obsessed with it).
Everyone everywhere seemingly has access to programmable matter to the point its a trivial non-issue.

Besides, most of the damage was confined to ships with active Warp cores... and the fact the Burn even happened was ridiculous to say the least because of their inability to seemingly move away from dilithium and M/AM whereas a few other species have (and SF even examined and had access to some of these technologies 800 years at least before the Burn - they even researched their own - nothing was properly followed up and it was dropped in a handwaving manner to serve the Burn story).

But what's done is done and that's the future we need to contend with (unless we consider the possibility that Dico may have jumped to an alternate 32nd century future which had a similar history like the Prime Timeline). Its not unheard of.
 
Didn’t the Burn also wipe out most of the potential Trill hosts?

Who were presumably off world and on ships (in transit) at the time the Burn occurred (aka, in places were Dilithium was likely used in active systems).

Most joined Trill end up going off world to experience life.
Its also possible that because of the Burn, many were left 'stranded' on other planets with no real way of getting back because no one could predict when or how the next Burn would happen (Earth even ended up using slow sleeper ships for transportation - heck, Adira and Gray were seen on what seemed to be a sublight sleeper ship which was hit by an asteroid - great autopiloting and evasion btw - this was another neglected use of basic technology that would have been so hyper advanced by this point it would be a non-issue), and depending on where they were stranded, its possible they couldn't secure a safe passage back to Trill.

But Adira has now opened Trill to new possibilities of expanding their hosts to non-Trill too, so there's that. And with the return of the Federation, its possible more joined Trill will have found a way back to the home planet - probably in other Trill host bodies or other aliens who volunteered to get a transplant done when the time was right (she/they probably wasn't the only such case).
 
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Basically, the UFP should have been on the level of species 10-C with Dyson Swarms or even Spheres in most systems throughout the Milky Way and nearby Dwarf Galaxies (and possibly a few systems in Andromeda galaxy).

No need for making a new Dyson Swarm or Sphere.

Just renovate the existing one that JLP found and fix up the Star's instability with Star Lifting.

You're not going to run out of space for quite a while.
 
In this universe, 32d century tech might be incomprehensible. We might, maybe, be able to use it, but the principles might not be understandable.
 
No need for making a new Dyson Swarm or Sphere.

Just renovate the existing one that JLP found and fix up the Star's instability with Star Lifting.

You're not going to run out of space for quite a while.

Its not for increasing habitat space (because they have more than enough of that as is - though Swarms CAN be used for that too)... its mainly for power generation so UFP would have monstrous amounts of energy to play with and experiment with.
Increase the size/scope of energy generation to that scale, and A LOT other things become possible when it comes to R&D (it would ultimately expand horizons on what's possible).

And besides, Dyson Swarms are relatively easy to make... spheres not as practical, but since we know that Trek has certain tech at its disposal, making an actual Sphere IS doable... just not really necessary when a Swarm does the same thing.

But yeah, I'd be all for renovating the existing Dyson Sphere they found in TNG.... just I'd also be for UFP making Swarms around every UFP member star to start with... and their colonies.
Just automate the process with drones, replicators and transporters, have it solar powered and it can be done in ridiculously small time frame because automation is FAR faster (exponentially).

Its actually ridiculous to think this wasn't done.

When Disco jumped to SOL in S3, I was expecting to see a Dyson Sphere or a solar system shield generated instantly from a Dyson Swarm as they materialized on the outskirts from the mycelium network (plus I was complaining on how limited the sensor range of Earth in the 32nd century is, next to short range sensors that can detect ships from 600 Ly's away in this era - heck, Earth apparently didn't even have the ability to scan just beyond the solar system's 'border').

Alas to my disappointment... we got... what we got.
 
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When Disco jumped to SOL in S3, I was expecting to see a Dyson Sphere or a solar system shield generated instantly from a Dyson Swarm as they materialized on the outskirts from the mycelium network.
Alas to my disappointment... we got... what we got.
You got a Dyson Ring from Species 10-C and a Giant Shield that was very large, not solar system large.
That would come from ST:LD =D
 
As for seperated parts flying together, that does make sense in that you don't have weak necks / arms to worry about, it's also less mass to move about, so you just need more independent Anti-Grav drives & impulse drives mounted to each part.
I just assumed everything was just held together by structural integrity fields, those just got so much better that they could do away with the superfluous necks and struts.
 
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