Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 5x01 - "Red Directive"

[evilchumlee]

All he said was the last time he saw a puzzle box was in the 26th century, that doesn't mean he's from the 26th century.

Yeah, he had clearly existed prior to that.

The PIC Synths are model A500's. I recall one of them mentioning a model number, which again I recall was higher than that so it seems he's a later model anyway. We know that the golem-type androids never took off from S3 info, but it seems like Soong-Types kept on for at least a bit.

Somewhat odd again for Stamets to be going on about Alton Soong when ultimately, his androids seem to have all but disappeared. He should be gushing over Noonien... although I suppose that nuData could have played a role in the (re)development of Synths, so in a roundabout way, so did Alton.

I'm left wondering about the ultimate goal of this season again. I'm intrigued. I can't help but think back to it being somewhat of a rehash of "The Chase" again, but it also made me wonder just how "available" the information has been. Starfleet has had it for 800 years or so, but did anyone else? It was the Starfleet tricroder that played the message and seemingly recorded everything. The Klingons clearly didn't care. The Cardassians only did a bit. The Romulans were actually open to it, but did they actually HAVE the recording of it?

In the end, the message only really got to a handful of people and was then buried for a millenia. What if the "weapon" was like, something tangible that could inform everyone, the secret could no long be kept.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Has anyone mentioned the Elderly Romulan Scientist was wearing a skirt, yet?

 

[Finn]

Does it matter?

 

[F. King Daniel]

Does it matter?

Well no, but I thought it comment worthy.

 

[cooleddie74]

It clearly received skant notice.








[*Whistles and slowly closes thread door*]

 

[Finn]

I thought it was more like a trenchcoat

 

[NCC-73515]

Final scene: Burnham is sent back to the beginnings of life, sees Q and Picard staring at goo, and once they leave, one of her tears falls into the primordial soup... and she created all life on earth.

(kidding!!)

 

[fireproof78]

It clearly received skant notice.








[*Whistles and slowly closes thread door*]

I thought it was more like a trenchcoat

Maybe a smock?

 

[Michael]

- the sandstorms chase scene was soooo obviously a green screen

I know, you’re only trying to say that you didn’t think the sequence looked convincing to you, and fair enough, but I just want to point out that interestingly this was not filmed using a green screen, but the AR wall they call the “holodeck”.

 

[Fantasy Lover]

Oh, the same technique from the mandalorian. Interesting

 

[Quantum21]

Oh, the same technique from the mandalorian. Interesting

That'll become a standard. Star Trek uses two of them for its shows.

 

[Photoman15]

An odd point related to that was Stamets adoration of Alton Soong. Like, sure they would have had a crash course in the history of the past 800 years but the way Stamets talks is like Alton Soong was someone he idolized his whole life. If anything I would expect Stamets to be more familiar with Arik, and he's more up his academic alley.

Adam doesn't seem to get any recognition, although he's probably involved in the nuEugenics Wars so... we probably don't talk about him much.

Not odd....a precursor. At the beginning of the episode at the reception, Stamets was questioning his future since the spore drive research is dead. Setting up Synths as his next direction.

 

[evilchumlee]

Not odd....a precursor. At the beginning of the episode at the reception, Stamets was questioning his future since the spore drive research is dead. Setting up Synths as his next direction.

Even so, it seems odd to be focused on Alton... whose work ultimately went nowhere and was only known to the wider galaxy for a short time before he died. Noonien Soong is the android guy, and to an extent, Bruce Maddox for adapting Noonien's work into the synths. That one really felt like a shoehorned in PIC reference.

 

[fireproof78]

Not odd....a precursor. At the beginning of the episode at the reception, Stamets was questioning his future since the spore drive research is dead. Setting up Synths as his next direction.

Yes, indeed. Soong carried forward a work, expanded it, and had a colony of synthetic lifeforms. His work was still functioning hundreds of years later.

There would be a fascination with such a legacy.

 

[Quantum21]

Not odd....a precursor. At the beginning of the episode at the reception, Stamets was questioning his future since the spore drive research is dead. Setting up Synths as his next direction.

It's possible, though another possible outcome is the Progenitor DNA tech they're going to encounter may rescue the navigator problem of the Spore Drive project.

 

[Cr0sis21]

It's possible, though another possible outcome is the Progenitor DNA tech they're going to encounter may rescue the navigator problem of the Spore Drive project.

I really, really hope not.
I want the spore drive dead. They had multiple reasons in-story for it to be shelved and kept ignoring it. But from a dramatic standpoint, a magical transportation system that teleports you anywhere in the galaxy in an instant is just...so boring.
I want it dead and gone. It was fine for a finite story, but not as an ongoing device.

 

[fireproof78]

It's possible, though another possible outcome is the Progenitor DNA tech they're going to encounter may rescue the navigator problem of the Spore Drive project.

Could be an interesting tie in which would make it more dangerous.

 

[Lakenheath 72]

Having seen Classic Trek lately, it is great to take a break from caves to see a planet scape with what looks like a believable city.

My favorite bit of the whole episode is the tribble's struggle to climb a wall, failing, and scurrying away. A complete story there. No emoting. no exposition dump, no 10-episode season.

 

[Mr Awe]

The other thing it gets you is five series running concurrently.

We never had 5 series concurrently. P+ originally had hopes to fill the entire year with new Trek, which at 10 episode per season, would be five series a year. If you count Prodigy, there are five recent Trek series but not all running concurrently.

They were trying to build up to new Trek all year around on P+, but they never got there and the changing financial situation, for all streamers, but particularly P+, is causing a reduction. That would've happened even without the strike but the strike also happened. We've already passed peak streaming Trek and it's now declining. It just wasn't sustainable.

 

[Mr Awe]

While I love the idea of The Chase being followed up on, I'm also a bit wary here. The whole point of that TNG episode was that the major powers believed they were on the hunt for a superweapon, but really, it was just a message from the ancient humanoids (apparently now called the progenitors). Now we hear that they actually had tech which could be a superweapon all along? Any conclusion to this may be troubling. If it's a red herring, they just retell The Chase a second time in longer form. If there really is some sort of superweapon, it completely undercuts the message of that episode.

I had a random thought occur after pondering the role of what has been hypothesized to be the Mirror Universe Enterprise 1701 appearing. What possible connection could that be to the progenitor story line?

Maybe none of course. But we had the unexplained Tantulus Field device found in the Mirror Universe. Is there something equivalent in the Prime universe? What if that is the Progenitor technology in question? Perhaps the Romulan guy was on its trail.

For the Progenitors, it might not be a weapon. It might have been away to eliminate unsuitable specimens or something otherwise innocuous to them. Or perhaps it's a transporter and Kirk didn't realize he was just transporting people somewhere else.

Even if it's not exactly the Tantulus device, it could well be the Progenitor's high tech intended for constructive purposes but could also be used a weapon.