Poll Rank the Picard Seasons

[Quantum21]

1, 3, 2.

2 is definitely underrated but I have a few logic issues with it. 3 would narrowly beat season 2 but no season 3 ep is as good as the season 2 premiere. Not even close.

Season 3 has a lot of issues, mostly stemming from the hamfisted approach of Matalas damning torpedoes and ignoring established dramatic sense. Rates high on nostalgia, some good performances, lots of good individual scenes.

Season 1 is obviously the best written season, it plows new ground, updates the look, aims high in it's scifi plot and attempts to make sense of the events in the movies, not twist them into a new shape like season 3.

Number rating? Roughly:

1) 8.9
2) 8.1
3) 8.2

 

[Farscape One]

Actually, what I meant was that producers, showrunners, etc. should not be listening to fans telling them what they should be making, because no two fans will think alike about what’s great and what sucks.

I thought PIC as a whole sucked. Other fans loved it. And that’s fine. But I can subjectively and coherently point out why I thought it sucked without making things personal or poking fun at those other fans who liked the show.

Ah, I understand now. I misunderstood. My apologies.

For the most part, I agree with what you say about producers not listening to fans. And while that should be true, at the end of the day, the producers need to make a product that can get more eyes on it. Which means catering to fans, at least to some degree.

To elaborate more on what I mean, I'll use the current era of shows. It's the best time, honestly, to take new chances and cater to fans. You have shows for fans of the old guard (PICARD, LDS), and shows to bring in new fans (DISCO). There's certainly room to do both.

 

[Dukhat]

It's not news that 2 fans think differently. It's how some verbalize that by attacking the talent of a writer. Which comes across as mean spirited.
Not liking something by a writer does not mean they suck is the point you keep missing.

That’s a subjective opinion. You know, like what you accused me of having.

For example, it’s my subjective opinion that James Patterson sucks as a writer. Never mind that he has consistent best sellers, and that obviously lots of people buy his books. His writing style smacks of a 15 year old, his structure is completely formulaic, and his chapters are exactly one or two pages long. And every book is like this. It’s utter drivel. But do those qualities apply to other writers who can have both good stories and lousy stories? No. So there’s a qualitative difference. But I can say with a clear conscience that Patterson sucks.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

For me 1 is the best, followed by 2 with 3 as the worst.

 

[BillJ]

1,3,2. Though season one is no great feat of TV.

 

[skip bittman]

Ken Russell was a great director and filmmaker, but he made Exorcist II after having told the studio he HATED the first movie directed by William Friedkin.

And most people think the second movie is one of the worst sequels ever made, since it comes at the material from a totally different direction and attempts something which went against the audience's expectations of what they were buying a ticket to see.

I friggin' WISH Ken Russell made Exorcist II. That would've been absolutely BONKERS. I like how nobody noticed this error. Is poor Ken that forgotten these days that a forum full of pedants lets this pass?

 

[Haggis and tatties]

Season 1/2 utter boring, from story to charactors, Picard should have stated in his vineyard and picked grapes by hand, it would have made better viewing. 0/10.

Season 3 was perfect and as far as i am concerned is the offical 8th season of TNG, and i will be adding it to my TNG br collection at some point. 11/10.

 

[trekfan_1]

3, 2, 1 for me. As much as season 2 was inperfect , it felt very Star Trek to me at least. It's a guilty pleasure I admit. Got ST IV and Voyager's Future's End Vibes. S1 had a good a concept but was way too dark and bloated for my lacking. And Season 3 was the most compelling for me. Nostalgic yes but not without purpose and ryme and reason.

 

[James Cole]

3, 2, 1 for me. As much as season 2 was inperfect , it felt very Star Trek to me at least. It's a guilty pleasure I admit. Got ST IV and Voyager's Future's End Vibes. S1 had a good a concept but was way too dark and bloated for my lacking. And Season 3 was the most compelling for me. Nostalgic yes but not without purpose and ryme and reason.

Season 2 is 80% salvageable into something very mid with some ADR, clever editing, and somehow defanging the suicide of Picard's mom. Season 1 just has too many toxic individual plot and character landmines to be similarly salvaged.

 

[I am not Spock]

Season 3 was not perfect. Story wise I had a lot of issues with it. It gets a pass from people because nostalgia. Vadics motivations seemed off to me. Picard had nothing to do with the changeling genocide virus, that was section 31. I didn't like how the changelings were a red herring and they resorted to using the Borg...again

 

[DonIago]

Season 3 was not perfect. Story wise I had a lot of issues with it. It gets a pass from people because nostalgia. Vadics motivations seemed off to me. Picard had nothing to do with the changeling genocide virus, that was section 31. I didn't like how the changelings were a red herring and they resorted to using the Borg...again

I imagine I said this earlier, but why the Changelings (or rather, a rogue faction of Changelings, which is frustrating)...or anyone, for that matter...would willingly ally themselves with the Borg ("Scorpion" notwithstanding, that was 'war') is entirely beyond me. What were Vadic et al. hoping to get out of it besides 'revenge!!!'?

Practically the only way it makes sense to me is if Vadic and Friends didn't know they were working with the Borg, but I'm pretty sure there's no ambiguity there?

 

[Lord Garth]

Season 2 was less than the sum of its parts, and Season 1 had two things in it that I strongly disagreed with (killing off the black kid at the beginning of the season and -- as far as I'm concerned -- Picard helping Data to commit euthanasia at best and suicide at worst at the end of the season) even though it's a season I otherwise hold in high regard. Season 3 wasn't less than the sum of its parts IMO, I thought it delivered on what I expected it to be (TNG as a TOS Movie), and it didn't have the two things I disagreed with that Season 1 had that I found to be objectionable on a more serious level than the hangups it looks like other people have.

 

[Lord Garth]

Vadics motivations seemed off to me. Picard had nothing to do with the changeling genocide virus, that was section 31.

People who want revenge don't think rationally. Vadic's not going to distinguish between Starfleet or Section 31. They're all part of the Federation, and that's what she cares about. That's why they call it being blinded by hatred. The Borg Queen offered her a chance to get back at the Federation, so she took it. The Borg Queen told her Jack Crusher was who she needed, so finding him was part of the deal. Simple as that.

 

[StarMan]

Easy.

1
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3
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2

 

[Tosk]

why the Changelings (or rather, a rogue faction of Changelings, which is frustrating)...or anyone, for that matter...would willingly ally themselves with the Borg ("Scorpion" notwithstanding, that was 'war') is entirely beyond me.

Even worse than ally...they allowed themselves to be subjugated.

 

[Lord Garth]

Even worse than ally...they allowed themselves to be subjugated.

It is bad, but also unfortunately happens in reality. These rouge Changelings don't agree with the Dominion being at peace with the Federation, so they turned to someone who also doesn't want peace. In Real Life, people will flock to those who represent what they value over those who won't, even if it's bad for them.

 

[fireproof78]

What were Vadic et al. hoping to get out of it besides 'revenge!!!'?

That's the motivation. Period. Rationally is not the motivation.

 

[DonIago]

In theory I agree, but in practice I would imagine that once they were no longer needed the first thing the Borg would do is liquidate the Changelings. Pun intended.

As vengeful as she might have been, I would have thought Vadic still had enough presence of mind to realize that, especially given how she was being treated. She exchanged one subjugator for another.

 

[Lord Garth]

Season 2 is 80% salvageable into something very mid with some ADR, clever editing, and somehow defanging the suicide of Picard's mom. Season 1 just has too many toxic individual plot and character landmines to be similarly salvaged.

I won't do it, I don't do fan edits (seriously, I don't do fan edits, and not just because of copyright issues), but -- in a different reality -- I could edit the three Picard seasons into three TNG Movies that most people would be okay with. Except for the most stubborn of haters.

 

[James Cole]

I won't do it, I don't do fan edits (seriously, I don't do fan edits, and not just because of copyright issues), but -- in a different reality -- I could edit the three Picard seasons into three TNG Movies that most people would be okay with. Except for the most stubborn of haters.

Terry Matalas and Drew Nichols are said to have made a "fan edit" film version of season 3. It would be interesting to see what they could do with season 2, especially if they had access to the raw footage.