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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 5x01 - "Red Directive"

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Did they actually bring back the actor who played the Romulan in "The Chase" for that one brief appearance? I looked on Memory Alpha and IMDB, but he went uncredited in that episode, but here he is credited as "Dr. Velek". It would be cool if they were able to track him down and persuade him to return.
 
It was a scene the producers thought would look cool and be full of effects and, well, they weren't wrong. I thought it was fun if a little outlandish.
 
Sooo, I just watched it (heeellooo back! Last time I watched DISCO when it aired was in season 2 :guffaw:).

I found it thoroughly watchable.
Contrary to apparently majority opinion here I don't think it was the best season opener - IMO the other ones had much stronger hooks (mysterious anomalies, Klingon war, far future) than this one. In fact the scope seemed quite mundane.
(Also, wtf, I didn't think Picard, the Romulans & Cardassians kept all that a secret!?)
But it's more important how it will turn out in the long run (some of the "better" hooks had quite disappointing outcomes).

The bad guys' relationship was the most interesting one - neither Michael/Book, Saru/Vulcanlady, Stamets/Culbert or Tilly/randomhotty really grabbed me that much. But none of it was bad, either.

The action was thoroughly enjoyable. The only ridiculous part was the parallel full-on face-plant of two capital ships:guffaw:

Now I have to admit I'm not a big fan of "The chase" - the episode is okay but I was never grabbed by the idea of the progenitors (same goes for "Prometheus", Van Däniken etc. Just not my cup of tea.)

However I think they managed to hit a nice, Indiana Jones inspired adventure tone. I preferred the more darker, more serious, less action heavy 4th season. But this is good variety without being too different.

So far, so good. I wasn't blown away or anything, but I was mostly well entertained for an hour.
 
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Wow, really loved being back in the world of DSC! Maybe I just can't help but root for the underdog, but DSC has always been my favorite of the new shows, and this episode was just a great opener! I know Trek will probably never have SW-type budgets, and thus, something like the desert chase sequence (which would be something common for any Mando episode) is rare in Trek, but maybe that's why I appreciated it more. In the end, the core strengths are with this crew, this family, and they are far and beyond the most underrated set of characters in Treks history. Maybe in a few decades, people will come to appreciate more what DSC was trying to do (like what's happening to the once loathed ENT), but I am happy to enjoy it in the here and now. And a special shout out to Jeff Russo: he's really improved on his more romantic, classical orchestrations, and at times (much like Stephen Barton did in PIC S3) he really tried to capture that Goldsmith/Horner-sound from the 80's..! Great work, and I am just so glad that the story ties in to lore: and it was about time that that episode (considering its shattering impact and magnitude) got a follow up story..!
 
Because she thought Discovery could intercept, and didn't anticipate them having multiple warp signature fakers. She messed up.
Nobody anticipates bad guys to be that well prepared. They were simply out classed.
No body in StarFleet would be ready for them unless they knew about their capabilities before hand and were setup to deal with it.

The action was thoroughly enjoyable. The only ridiculous part was the parallel full-on face-plant of two capital ships
That was actually quite a "ingenious solution" give how little time they had before the desert settlement would be over-run by the avalanche.

Given how the desert dust storm messed with transporters so that they couldn't get a clear lock w/o local targeting knowledge, it wouldn't have been practical to beam everybody out.

Dual Synchronized Shield Wall by face planting the saucer tips of both StarShips who made a planned impact with Shields up is quite the move IMO. 31st Century Shields being even more ridiculously stronger than previous generations, should easy take a Rock Slide / Avalanche of that caliber and come out fine with minor damage.

Is it me, or did they seem to have learned from previous mistakes?
Always carry your EV suit nearby and ready to transform into it at a moments notice.

Remember last season, poor crew man who was sucked out of Discovery?
That must have been a harsh lesson to have your gear ready to go on at 24/7/365 notice.

I'm glad at least Michael Burnham had the sense to have all sorts of gear ready thanks to programmable matter making it compact-ible.
 
It took me a little while to get into this one but that could just be my mood, not been feeling well today. It wasn’t as strong a season opener for me as many of the past ones, and the action scenes tended to be overly gimmicky (I’m not really an action fan though, I know action scenes generally are gimmicky). But I found the closing scene with Burnham and Kovich was thoroughly engaging and gave me the feels—but not in the blatant nostalgia overload way P S3 went for. It actually feels about time we got follow up to that TNG episode. It always felt like an anticlimax in that they set up a major revelation and never did anything with it (I don’t think it was even mentioned again?).

I was hoping we might get another Salome Jens appearance, until I googled and saw that she’s nearly 90, so I don’t think that’s likely, especially with those heavy prosthetics.

Did anyone else get Pris from Blade Runner vibes from Moll? That’s no bad thing. These two villains have potential.

I’m looking forward to more! Will watch episode 2 tomorrow.

(Can’t believe people are still complaining about not knowing more about the bridge crew. They are glorified extras, let’s be honest! Be grateful they’re featured as much as they are. Seriously, nobody complained on TNG that we didn’t learn more about Ensign Gates, Ensign Ragar, etc, or the poor nameless rabble who stood behind Worf.)
 
That was actually quite a "ingenious solution" give how little time they had before the desert settlement would be over-run by the avalanche.

Given how the desert dust storm messed with transporters so that they couldn't get a clear lock w/o local targeting knowledge, it wouldn't have been practical to beam everybody out.

Dual Synchronized Shield Wall by face planting the saucer tips of both Starships who made a planned impact with Shields up is quite the move IMO. 31st Century Shields being even more ridiculously stronger than previous generations, should easy take a Rock Slide / Avalanche of that caliber and come out fine with minor damage.

Is it me, or did they seem to have learned from previous mistakes?
Always carry your EV suit nearby and ready to transform into it at a moments notice.

Remember last season, poor crew man who was sucked out of Discovery?
That must have been a harsh lesson to have your gear ready to go on at 24/7/365 notice.

I'm glad at least Michael Burnham had the sense to have all sorts of gear ready thanks to programmable matter making it compact-ible.
Here is the thing: I'm an absolute sucker for starship action - especially if it's something creative, not just pew pew.

And the basic idea was pretty great: Stop the avalanche with the ships' shields! A little bit contrieved that they needed exactly 2 ships for that, but hey, whatever makes the plot flow forward.

So I was absolutely on board. Looked absolutely fantastic when the ships entered atmosphere.

I fully expected them to dramatically hover inches above the ground, their shields pounding into the ground, the avalanche smashing into the shields, the ships delicately balancing in the air. I was ready for it!

Instead...

Full-on face-plant.:rommie:
I laughed out quite loud. It was so sudden, and so absurd, I just couldn't hold myself.

Now don't mean that I hate it. Quite the contrary. But holy hell, was it an unexpected ridiculous surprise:lol:
 
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Maybe, how much does he really know about their ships capabilities?
The look on his face when Burnham realizes what they had done says he knows.

Can’t believe people are still complaining about not knowing more about the bridge crew. They are glorified extras, let’s be honest! Be grateful they’re featured as much as they are. Seriously, nobody complained on TNG that we didn’t learn more about Ensign Gates, Ensign Ragar, etc, or the poor nameless rabble who stood behind Worf.)
Also complaining about Burnham crying. Seriously, when did emotions become bad? I guess in a franchise with Spock, Data, and Odo, people see that has the goal of humanity.
 
Fred bugged the shit out of me. A 26th century Soong-type shouldn't have been so weird, robotic, and awkward. He should only be distinguishable from human to the extent that he chose to be. He also shouldn't have been taken out that easily, he is stronger and faster than organics, and has the benefit of 6 centuries worth of experience. He could have torn Moll and Laak limb from limb, and instead he cowered in the corner.
 
Here is the thing: I'm an absolute sucker for starship action - especially if it's something creative.
Me too!

And the basic idea was pretty great: Stop the avalanche with shields! A bit contrieved they needed exactly 2 ships, but whatever makes the plot flow.
It just needed more reactor / Shield power than what one StarShip Discovery can output.
Makes you think that Shinzon's Scimitar had the right idea by having "Multiple Main Reactors" on a ship to output energy.
Instead of being limited to one reactor.

So I was absolutely on board. Looked absolutely fantastic when the ships entered atmosphere.
Definitely!

I fully expected them to hover inches above the ground & stop the avalanche, and was fully in board with that!
That's what I was thinking they were going to do.

Instead... Full-on face-plant.:rommie:
I laughed out quite loud. It was so sudden and so absurd, I just couldn't hold myself.
It was obviously a calculated face plant given the synchronized timing and angle.

Now don't mean that I hate it. Quite the contrary. But holy hell was it a sudden ridiculous surprise
But after thinking about it, if they were both hovering and the anti-grav wasn't strong enough to hold the ships in position, then the avalanche might still have damaged the settlement.

But by staking themselves in the ground like a shovel and creating a ramp, it allows the boulders to roll up the shields and back down.

It was a better "on the fly" solution than just hovering above and laying down shields, it accounted for more variables and worst case scenarios IMO.
 
Fred bugged the shit out of me. A 26th century Soong-type shouldn't have been so weird, robotic, and awkward. He should only be distinguishable from human to the extent that he chose to be. He also shouldn't have been taken out that easily, he is stronger and faster than organics, and has the benefit of 6 centuries worth of experience. He could have torn Moll and Laak limb from limb, and instead he cowered in the corner.
I found it in his programming, especially the love of language that he presented, as well as less familiarity with firearms. Regardless of his abilities, he clearly wasn't programmed to use them.

RIP, Fred.
 
It was obviously a calculated face plant given the synchronized timing and angle.

But after thinking about it, if they were both hovering and the anti-grav wasn't strong enough to hold the ships in position, then the avalanche might still have damaged the settlement.

But by staking themselves in the ground like a shovel and creating a ramp, it allows the boulders to roll up the shields and back down.

It was a better "on the fly" solution than just hovering above and laying down shields, it accounted for more variables and worst case scenarios IMO.
Not really arguing from an in-universe point of view here, it's just a show after all and we know very little of this uber future tech.

Let's just say I did NOT have "double starship face-plant" on my bingo card when I started watching this episode.
And boy did that take me by surprise:guffaw:

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Not sure if this is stupid or brilliant, but it is... something:D
 
So, uhm, I have to admit, I kinda forgot about the new season until this week, with how much was going on in my life recently, but it was surprisingly easy to get back into the hang of things. The episode started slowly, with an almost boringly formula "sent on a highly classified mission in pursuit of scavengers with stolen artifacts" action movie plot, but the character moments and the slow peppering of the overarching mission of the season slowly but steadily elevated it into an eager hype to see how this goes again. The Progenitors from The Chase, with one of the Romulans from their team finding the secret of creating life? No wonder it's the most prized quarry in the entire galaxy, and it's perfectly understandable why Kovich had all the details classified, perhaps even by direct order of the president herself. After all, the technology that created all sentient life in the galaxy and was first thought up as a roundabout way to explain why most sentient life was humanoid and could have fertile offspring with each other, could plausibly be used to create biological weapons of a frightening magnitude, or even something like a hyper-charged version of the Genesis wave. If the public learned of this, it could very well cause a mass panic.

Moll and L'ak are shaping up to be intriguing antagonists, even if I misjudged them at first; back on the Romulan ship (itself a beautifully rendered adaptation of a classic design), they didn't seem to go out of their way to cause harm, incapatitating Owo and Rhys, but they showed they meant business by blowing Burnham out into space to cover for their escape. But they quickly showed their ruthlessly pragmatic, villainous side by killing Fred after he double-crossed them so that he couldn't tell the contents of Vellek's diary to anyone else (I expected them to just deactivate him, but they evidently want to leave no loose ends behind), and then they expertly manipulated Burnham and Rayner's Federation priorities and sensibilities by causing an avalanche threatening thousands of people, which read to me as them knowing they'll give up pursuit to save innocent lives because that's what Starfleet does. As for Rayner, he's a classic Javert-type character who has clearly allowed his history with the pair to become personal, even if he begrudgingly agrees with Burnham in the end that saving lives is more immediately important. And I liked his constant trolling of Burnham and Book, which felt to me like him intentionally antagonizing these random outsiders intruding on his job.

And, of course, Tilly. Oh, Sylvia Tilly, how I love you so; Mary Wiseman excelled in the role as usual, exaggerating Tilly's, well, Tilliness by just the exact amount one would expect from being drunk and very ineptly trying to hide it from her colleague. I must say though, I expected something darker based on the episode synopsis, so the fact that her getting entangled in a web of secrecy turned out to be a comic relief subplot (complete with her successfully breaking into the most secure database possible WHILE STILL DRUNK) came as a surprise, albeit perfectly fitting her character, especially with her unexpected mentor figure Dadmiral Vance coming to the rescue and offering his full support.

And naturally, Saru and T'Rina just filled me with so much squee. His speech at the end was so romantic and so Saru-like. Now we only need some Keyla and Owo content, and we'll be all set. Well, I'd also love some Burnham/Tilly content, but her and Book just made their de facto break up official, so it would be a bit in bad taste.

TRIVIA:
  • Tholians and Breens mentioned as the local bad guys? Well, some things never change.
  • Romulan handwriting looks very nice, plausibly derived from the printed characters while also being reminiscent of Vulcan writing as well
  • "Just Fred" kind of reminded me of Lore in a way, with his obnoxious rubbing-his-literacy-in-your-face-with-a-smirk conversation style
  • I saw some people refer to Indiana Jones as a primer for what this season will feel like, with some even specifically mentioning The Last Crusade, and funnily enough, we even have something approximating Henry Sr's diary and Indy's rubbing of the crusader's coffin
  • Burnham screwing up and immediately being reprimanded by both Rayner and Kovich almost felt like an answer to the flurry of criticism that she always gets away with everything. Further, Starfleet shuttering the spore drive and Paul lamenting that he could've made it work almost sounds like the series itself reflecting on how some viewers saw the concept. The pathway drive itself sounds akin to the well-known slipstream, as if to symbolize the creators giving in and returning to more familiar themes and concepts in their pursuit of the approval of a vocal, more nostalgia-minded part of the fandom.
 
Yay, Discovery's back! The only thing bugging me is the shitty Paramount+ servers in the UK making watching a challenge.

When the season synopsis described S5 as more of a fun puzzle, my mind returned to TNG's The Chase and Indiana Jones. Then I go and see that the puzzle in the first episode is the same as the creator of the humanoid lifeforms in the franchise made me excited!
 
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