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If they had filmed "Hollow Pursuit" today, would Barclay have remained on the Enterprise at the end?

When I was flatting, I used to share the lounge computer with half a dozen other people in their 20s, and this is how I figured out that the new girl who had just moved in was a lesbian, because she had not cleared the playlist on "our" windows media player.
:rommie::rommie::rommie:
(by the way, usually "real" lesbians don't appreciate "lesbian porn", because, well, it is just made for cis-males).
 
:rommie::rommie::rommie:
(by the way, usually "real" lesbians don't appreciate "lesbian porn", because, well, it is just made for cis-males).

This was the 90s.

Dial up.

It was 30 seconds of a woman jumping up and down with no top on.

Kids stuff. ;)

On this very same computer, near abouts the same time, it told me that it was going to take 5 hours to down load a 40 second trailer for a new show called Enterprise, and I replied "Nah bro, not worth it."
 
Worf disagrees. I would say any medical officer can contact security to have a door opened for the reasons you stated.

We saw Crusher do it on her own in "Schisms". Bashir did it on his own in "THE WIRE". Whether that's because they were the CMO or simply because they are medical period has never been said.
 
No one is saying you will suffer consequences if you watch porn in your free time (that is, if it's of the legal variety). But I think many companies on this planet would have a very hard time keeping you working if during working hours and with important deadlines coming up you spend the time and company tools to create deepfake porn where you have sex with your female colleagues and humiliate your superiors.


It's not kink shaming. It's basic work ethics.


I assure you that even in many European countries where the worker is protected much more than in the States this would be enough for an immediate dismissal.

Okay.

But Barclay doesn’t just work on the Enterprise. He lives on the Enterprise. And living on the Enterprise is compared to living in a dorm.

A lot of college students access porn, even when they can hook up with someone on campus. And the college years are also synonymous with an experimentation phase, as part of a road of self-discovery.

And knowing what we know now, the 21st century has taken some illiberal turns. And the 21st century is not liked in the TNG era.

Its extremely plausible that values have shifted so much in 350 years that the idea of deepfake porn warranting dismissal is seen as silly and archaic.

Especially when Betazoids and other telepaths can know of others around them are fantasizing about them.

It always gave me the impression that the holodeck was like someone playing a PlayStation game. It's not something particularly private and if someone wants to sit on the couch next to you and watch they don't even have to ask permission.

Less like Playstation. More like Steam, seeing as adult visual novels can actually be purchased.

That said, some gamers just prefer playing solo, instead of with groups of people.

You pay for holosuites for privacy and pornography.


"Someone" was disgusted with Quark when they thought that he was letting season one Jake into a holosuite to fuc%, but he was just playing baseball.


Human holodecks are a different kettle of fish.

And it makes sense that the Federation, which makes a big deal about not using money, would believe that they can access anyone’s holodeck time at any moment. You can’t buy privacy, at least on their property.
 
I was listening to this parody song...

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Where it said that Barclay got arrested, so I thought "how dumb were we!?" but Reg was almost arrested for using the Midas Array without permission, not for working his way through 2 crews of unlicensed dopplebangers.

So close.
 
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I think it's important to remember or at least let yourself reflect on Barclay's circumstance not being entirely relevant to our modern sensibilities. Should what he was doing in the holodeck be considered wrong? Certainly. Would someone doing equivalent in our current workplace culture face pretty steep & damning repercussions? Totally. Do we then assume that Barclay on the Enterprise, in their progressive 24th century, should face a similar fate to what we'd enforce? I really don't think so.

One of the things I personally really like allowing for, in the more idyllic TNG future, is that they have some progressiveness that is more civil than our own. It's why I can accept Picard being dropped back into command right after Wolf 359, or Riker after the Pegasus scandal. I mean people died in those instances, & not so much as a word is uttered against them about it hardly ever after, that they should be removed on criminal grounds, or in Picard's case on psychological grounds.

We're meant to appreciate that their culture is governed by a better spirit than that, & they look to a person's better potentials and view these events, missteps or wrongdoings not as an obligation to condemn them, but as an opportunity to help that person, and not ultimately ruin them over it. Frankly, it's a predilection we all could learn a little from imho. Take a cue from these compassionate & understanding people, who more often forgive. After all, when we all sit back & ruminate about how we'd love to live in a progressive future like Star Trek, & wonder if we'll ever truly be capable of it, does this aspect of civility not belong in that dream as well? Does it not actually begin in that place of forgiveness & compassion?
 
Its extremely plausible that values have shifted so much in 350 years that the idea of deepfake porn warranting dismissal is seen as silly and archaic.

I would expect that after 350 years of deepfaking technology, such products would be viewed much the same way as an 'erotic fiction' book today about, say, a celebrity - perhaps it would be seen as slander but not as more convincing than a couple of pages of printed text. Long ago, people were also much more liable to believe something if they saw it printed in a book than today. The mindset 'these images look real so I'll subconsciously assume they are real' hopefully would've disappeared by then.

And it makes sense that the Federation, which makes a big deal about not using money, would believe that they can access anyone’s holodeck time at any moment. You can’t buy privacy, at least on their property.

"We are all evolved humans here, we have nothing to hide!" (Brrrrrrrrr.....)
 
If the D had the first Holodecks, which it did, no one on board had any experience with abusing that privilege, nor did the authorities monitoring that service for abuse have a lick of experience either.

Encounter at far Point was Day One.

How long, how many hours, did it take the crew to reinvent pornography?
 
I don't think the D had the first holodecks. I think that might have been the idea at first but it has sort of been changed since then. Remember Janeway and others use to enjoy Flotter adventures when they were kids. We saw a holodeck on Discovery though they didn't call it that and since have kind of dropped using it. Quark was running his holodeck on DS9 for years under the Carddisians that go back before TNG season 1 so holodeck was something other cultures had as well.
 
I don't think the D had the first holodecks. I think that might have been the idea at first but it has sort of been changed since then. Remember Janeway and others use to enjoy Flotter adventures when they were kids. We saw a holodeck on Discovery though they didn't call it that and since have kind of dropped using it. Quark was running his holodeck on DS9 for years under the Carddisians that go back before TNG season 1 so holodeck was something other cultures had as well.

Holo decks are huge and Holo suites are tiny.

They were amazed by the Deck in the TNG pilot.

It was more real than any holo system ever before, and then the Bynars upgraded it, making all 18 holodecks 100s of times more sophisticated than they had been moments before.

Whatever, everywhere else had before the rig on the Galaxy class became standard issue, was significantly less than.

Although IRL, way back when, I assume certain people were using the Toy Story CGI technology in the early nineties to make very believable pornographic simulations.
 
Timeline:
"We can create realistic three-dimensional holograms!"
"Cool!" *the first porn hologram is immediately created*
 
Was the first realistic cgi movie Tron, Toy Story, or Avatar?
I'd say Jurassic Park in 1993 revolutionized the industry, but what people forget is it was also equal parts or even still slightly dominated by practical FX. So the CG was used incredibly judiciously, where they could prioritize realism. They were film masters who used it carefully & creatively so that it wasn't noticable
 
I'd say Jurassic Park in 1993 revolutionized the industry, but what people forget is it was also equal parts or even still slightly dominated by practical FX. So the CG was used incredibly judiciously, where they could prioritize realism. They were film masters who used it carefully & creatively so that it wasn't noticable

Thank you, but the point I was trying to make is that every generation thinks that what they have is best, and that there will never be any better, so Burbank had better go "all in" right now, and make some mind blowing computerized cartoons that will definitely stand the test of time.
 
I suspect what they would also change if they were writing “Hollow Pursuits” today, is the dismissive, ridiculing, insensitive and borderline bullying behavior displayed by the senior staff towards a person like Barclay. Even before they find out what he’s doing on the holodeck their treatment of him is absolutely not okay from today’s point of view. As much as I like both Riker and La Forge, in this episode they come off as insensitive dicks who can’t handle someone who’s obviously struggling to fit in. Doesn’t really reflect well on their leadership skills.

I agree - I just rewatched this one and thought about making a thread on the subject. Geordi, Riker, and Wesley come off really badly. Geordi has to practically be ordered to make an attempt to get to know "Reg." His main issues with the guy on a professional level are that he's often late and his work is mediocre - these are fair points. But he also takes a dislike to Barclay based on the fact that he's nervous and "doesn't fit in."

His main advice to Barclay throughout much of the episode seems to be along the lines of "just stop being shy" - and why he thinks the best solution to Barclay's confidence issues is to bring him to a senior staff meeting and encourage him to speak up in front of people who are clearly weirded out by him is beyond me. Riker tells Picard that Barclay has "seclusive tendencies" as though that's a terrible and suspicious thing. Wesley comes up with a comedic nickname behind Barclay's back - granted, Wes is a teenager so some juvenile behavior is to be expected (I guess?) but in general, you'd think the crew would be beyond this type of attitude. They certainly don't seem very enlightened, and if anything they come off as cliquey bullies. I also have to wonder why nobody recommended that Barclay seek help in the form of therapy with Troi a little sooner?
 
I also have to wonder why nobody recommended that Barclay seek help in the form of therapy with Troi a little sooner?
The only "justification" I can come up with is that they simply didn't think a person whose problems were impacting his job performance so badly could be on the fleet flagship. Also in the episode it is said that his previous commander had spoken well of him. So they probably believed that it was enough to just give him some advice to make him perform at his best.

The sad truth is that the episode was written in an era when it was thought that the best cure for clinical depression was to say "Don't be depressed!!!".
 
That I am also guessing Barclay is fairly new to the ship at this point. They really don't know him well enough and in the case of Geordi he has lots of engineers who work for him and lots of responsibilities so I can see why some of his issues would sort not get much attention at first. Plus like mentioned. The Enterprise is the flagship. Most people who serve on the ship are the best of the best so it's kind of rare for them to have a crew member with these kind of social issues impacting their work.
 
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