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[HotRod]

I bet you wouldn’t say that if you liked the idea yourself. And it only shows how passionate a huge portion of the fan base is for the idea.

Nope.

You can like something and be passionate about something without being incredibly abrasive about it.

Some of these people are just rude about it. They're obnoxious. The mere mention of Trek and they go off about Kurtzman and how Legacy NEEDS to happen, fuck everything else. Bla bla BLA.

I don't remember fans being this toxic when they were campaigning for a Pike show.

 

[fireproof78]

I bet you wouldn’t say that if you liked the idea yourself. And it only shows how passionate a huge portion of the fan base is for the idea.

Nope.

The Legacy pushers i see here and elsewhere push it as "the best way for Trek." It's an exclusionary club and I hate exclusionary clubs, even if I like an idea.

 

[Quinton]

Yeah. Much as I want this, some of the people who also want this are utterly obnoxious about it.

Tribalism, I guess.

 

[Firebird]

Some of these people are just rude about it. They're obnoxious. The mere mention of Trek and they go off about Kurtzman and how Legacy NEEDS to happen, fuck everything else. Bla bla BLA.

I don't remember fans being this toxic when they were campaigning for a Pike show.

It’s precisely that faction of the fandom which has increasingly turned me off on the prospects of Legacy. These were the same folks Matalas courted and enabled during season 3, and I don’t give a damn if he’s trying to distance himself from them now. The damage is done.

 

[Tuskin38]

So you didn’t actually mean “fans as a whole” - you meant on one subsection of the fanbase on this board? That isn’t what you said originally though.

There's enough people here to make an educated guess.

 

[Cr0sis21]

Nope.

The Legacy pushers i see here and elsewhere push it as "the best way for Trek." It's an exclusionary club and I hate exclusionary clubs, even if I like an idea.

My Legacy opinion is "It's a better idea than Starfleet Academy".
I liked Picard Season 3 a lot. And it was great as a swan song for TNG. I don't see it as even a viable path forward for franchise growth. Thus why I'm ambivalent about Legacy. I was much more excited about the idea of a Captain Shaw series.
Personally, I'd rather see a new ship with new people and as few memberberries as possible.

 

[fireproof78]

My Legacy opinion is "It's a better idea than Starfleet Academy".

I've wanted an Academy series far longer than I've wanted anything Picard related, aside from the TNG Academy action figure series.

 

[Cr0sis21]

I've wanted an Academy series far longer than I've wanted anything Picard related, aside from the TNG Academy action figure series.

Yeah, I'm sure there are probably plenty who are. That's just, like, my opinion, man.

I'm not excited about SA, like, at all. Which really is a first for me when it comes to Star Trek. But, I've never been excited about it, going all the way back to when they first started bandying it about. Reading Peter David's 3 Worf academy books was as far as I went.
There are a few things about a proposed Legacy series I know I will enjoy, which is more than I can say for SA. But, neither one is really lighting my world on fire.

 

[fireproof78]

I'm not excited about SA, like, at all. Which really is a first for me when it comes to Star Trek.

Oh, I've had that experience more than once.

There are a few things about a proposed Legacy series I know I will enjoy, which is more than I can say for SA. But, neither one is really lighting my world on fire.

I mean, it's not for me either. It's just an interesting idea.

 

[Cr0sis21]

Oh, I've had that experience more than once.

I'm still hopeful they will surprise me. I was ambivalent at best about Lower Decks when they first announced it, but it quickly became a favorite.
I'm hoping the same happens with SA.

 

[ToddCam]

I understand there is apparently a toxic part of the Legacy pushers. Fandom has toxic elements.

I have often found the other side of any discussion of returning characters to be quite toxic as well. The terms "memberberry" and "fanwank" are dismissive and rude. If I think that characters have more story to tell, why is that somehow worse than a new character? By that sort of definition, all the original cast movies were also memberberry nonsense. Star Trek II is all about a one-shot villain from TOS reappearing. What is the real difference?

 

[fireproof78]

Star Trek II is all about a one-shot villain from TOS reappearing. What is the real difference?

None. Both are lesser entries.

. If I think that characters have more story to tell, why is that somehow worse than a new character? B

Because it's not one character.

 

[ToddCam]

None. Both are lesser entries.

Because it's not one character.

I can't say I understand the point-of-view, as it seems arbitrary. What is a reasonable amount of time for a character to have between appearances to not be inherently "lesser"?

Either way, the version of Legacy I would like most is one where we do reunite with characters we haven't seen or know little about since we last saw them. Although they are not real people, so it's a superficial association, in a way it's like catching up with old friends.

 

[fireproof78]

can't say I understand the point-of-view, as it seems arbitrary. What is a reasonable amount of time for a character to have between appearances to not be inherently "lesser"?

Characters are not lesser. Season 3 and TWOK are lesser.

Either way, the version of Legacy I would like most is one where we do reunite with characters we haven't seen or know little about since we last saw them. Although they are not real people, so it's a superficial association, in a way it's like catching up with old friends.

Catching up means things change or they're different. It sounds like a reunion tour rather than doing something new.

Color me skeptical.

 

[Quinton]

Here’s my two cents: you can carry forward the arcs of major organizations such as the Federation, the Klingon Empire, and the successive polities of the Cardassian Union and Romulan Star Empire through a mixture of new and returning characters, each with their own new or continuing arcs.

You can simultaneously do the same with brand-new organizations, as well as everything in Star Trek that’s unrelated to political entities. Strange new worlds. All that important stuff.

There’s nothing stopping a talented and thoughtful writer from weaving the old into the new. Star Trek: Picard’s third season had the clear goal of being a “reunion tour.” What comes next doesn’t need to be. It could, hypothetically, satisfy the bulk of both camps of thought on all of this.

I recognize that such a middleground isn’t what some of the most ardent Legacy supporters have in mind. It’s what I have in mind, for whatever tiny flake of worth that offers.

 

[ToddCam]

Characters are not lesser. Season 3 and TWOK are lesser.


Catching up means things change or they're different. It sounds like a reunion tour rather than doing something new.

Color me skeptical.

"Space Seed" is Season 1. Unless you're talking about something else. Picard maybe? I wouldn't want Legacy to be like Picard Season 3. It was fun and all, but kind of dumb, sometimes tedious.

I assume your skepticism is to any attempt at a Legacy show, and not what I would like from one, as I can assure you I do believe I like what I like.

 

[Mudd]

I don't remember fans being this toxic when they were campaigning for a Pike show.

Pike fans had hope - TPTB encouraged the talk and made it seem credible.

Legacy fans have the air of whistling past a graveyard while all signs point to "No. "

 

[fireproof78]

"Space Seed" is Season 1. Unless you're talking about something else. Picard maybe? I wouldn't want Legacy to be like Picard Season 3. It was fun and all, but kind of dumb, sometimes tedious.

I see no reason to follow up on Space Seed. It does not make TWOK a better story because of how it connects to the past.

I wouldn't want Legacy to be like Picard Season 3. It was fun and all, but kind of dumb, sometimes tedious.

Thus far, the pitches are around follow ups.

 

[HotRod]

What some of the fans seem to want.

 

[TerryTrek]

Jack definitely. He's the replacement for JLP, so the story can continue without Patrick.


The others aren't needed.


There's room for brand new characters and alien races with a 25th century Trek show. Unchartered territory to explore, with no fixed endpoint.