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That’s not what people are saying at allSome trekkies don't want trek in their trek
No. Some Trekkies want Trek to stand up on its own and not need to be propped up almost entirely by references and call backs to pervious series and films.Some trekkies don't want trek in their trek
Man you guys have been waiting a long time then.
Though… here’s the thing. Trek is kind of one whole thing. It lends it a cohesiveness, even if some see that more as small universe kicking in. Maybe it’s just part of Trek — ever since the Original Series.
Nope.
None of the other series beat you over the head with references to past episodes/films every chance they could.
Save for maybe Lower Decks, but thats kinda the point of the series.
Even Strange New Worlds, an obvious callback to the Trek of old, doesn't rely almost entirely on references to past series, beyond its classic setting and characters.
There’s an element of truth to that — except to say that SNW has old elements as the absolute core. This is Picard. It has references at the core of its conception — particularly series 3 where they gave up pretending otherwise.
But even the ‘whole new thing’ series always had cameos and callbacks. I think DSC was the first Trek series to *not* have a send off from the previous series in some way, and even then they had Burnham be Sareks adopted daughter, and gave us a recast Spock.
It’s just always there.
Legacy would indeed lean into that again, because it’s there in the concept. It’s almost like SNW but from the opposite end of the timeline.
The Berman era "tradition" was to not show any Sovereign class ship on TV, which has already been broken by the presence of several Sovereigns in Picard S2 and the Prodigy Lower Decks finale (including the Enterprise E, maybe*) and even a couple in Lower Decks S3.
Besides, in the Berman era it wasn't so much a tradition as it was a mandate, as the Studio Suits wanted the Sovereign class to remain a movie exclusive ship, fearing people wouldn't go to the theatres to see the TNG movies if they showed Sovereign class ships on TV. Of course, as it is, people only went to theatres to see one of the three movies the Enterprise E was in anyway.
*I am aware that all the Sovereign class ships in the Prodigy finale have "1701-E" on their hulls, making the matter sufficiently vague as to whether any of them were supposed to be the Enterprise E. But as far as I'm concerned, the E really was there and that's where it was destroyed or at least so severely damaged it had to be decommissioned. The timing fits perfectly, and it really wouldn't have been Worf's fault.
Nah, it sounds like there were 30 years of adventures we never saw and Terry was just tapping into that idea with a joke. You're right in that he probably had no idea what the details were, but you're missing the point if you're using that as a fault.
I am faulting Matalas for using the Enterprise-F as a tribute to the 1% of fans who play STO, only to have the ship get destroyed to make way for his Matalasprise, rather than allowing the far greater percentage of fans who would rather have seen the Enterprise-E one last time rather than have its fate in the form of a lame-ass joke that explains nothing about what happened to it. I doubt Terry was really thinking about ‘future stories’ despite what he’s saying after the fact.
Yep. Count me as one. And I don't even really like the E, but to shoehorn in the F made no sense and just further pushed the narrative that serving on an Enterprise is dangerous to your health. They're now onto their 4th Enterprise in 40 years.
I like the F better than the E, but agree with your sentiment.
The season is supposed to be TNG's last ride. It would have made far more sense to bring the Enterprise E back, even if just briefly to see it destroyed than it did to haul out the Enterprise F, essentially a new ship for many in the audience just to see it destroyed.
The E would have had more thematic resonance on the story. Like it or not, the E is a part of TNG and for the TNG cast it is a part of their lives. Nemesis took place seven years after the ship was launched, it was their home and workplace just as long as the D was. To see it lost in the Frontier Day celebrations adds a personal loss for them and the fans. That and you can almost make the return of the D something poetic, the phoenix rising from the ashes to avenge its successor or something. It could have made for a far more meaningful experience than "oh look, it's the ship from STO. Now never mind that, because now we have a RESTORED ENTERPRISE D!!!!!!"
If they absolutely needed to include the STO Enterprise F, just have that be the new ship introduced at the ending with Seven the Titan's bridge crew serving on instead of renaming the Titan the Enterprise G.
The E would have had more thematic resonance on the story. Like it or not, the E is a part of TNG and for the TNG cast it is a part of their lives. Nemesis took place seven years after the ship was launched, it was their home and workplace just as long as the D was. To see it lost in the Frontier Day celebrations adds a personal loss for them and the fans. That and you can almost make the return of the D something poetic, the phoenix rising from the ashes to avenge its successor or something. It could have made for a far more meaningful experience than "oh look, it's the ship from STO. Now never mind that, because now we have a RESTORED ENTERPRISE D!!!!!!"
If they absolutely needed to include the STO Enterprise F, just have that be the new ship introduced at the ending with Seven the Titan's bridge crew serving on instead of renaming the Titan the Enterprise G.
I dunno, the E was only in 3 movies, and only 1 of them any good with an asterisk being the same complaint, the movies just became action stories that didn't feel like the show. Considering most people didn't even go out to see Nemesis, I think it's safe to say that there's mostly zero attachment to anything past the D in terms of ships named "Enterprise" since they had 179 stories with that versus 3 mostly unmemorable ones.
I also read they didn't want any one confusing (or asking if) any Sovereigns in DS9 as the Enterprise. Which I saw happening when Picard Season 2 aired lmao.
They also all have USS Sovereign on the saucer.
I heard that it was other Intrepids they didn't want, fearing the audience would confuse them with Voyager. As it was the Bellerophon being Intrepid was something they had to argue with the studio over (the studio wanted it to be another Defiant class ship) and the matter was only settled because the Voyager episode being filmed at the time was one that didn't need much filming on the ship's interior sets.
And as it is, I know many who were confused by all the Galaxy class ships seen in the Dominion War, with one guy asking "I thought the Enterprise D was destroyed?" I won't even get into how many people over the past twenty years see an Akira class and think they've spotted the NX-01...
Well, the majority of the people replying to this topic disagree. Is that a fair assessment of the fandom in general? I think that the fandom in general really don’t give a shit about the ships. But for the percentage of the fandom that does? I think they would have liked to have seen the E far more than the F, even if it’s just for some closure and the ship gets destroyed in a very important battle.
You're probably right.
I'm just having trouble with the idea of "closure" when there was barely any "opener".
I'm just having trouble with the idea of "closure" when there was barely any "opener".
There was nothing wrong showing both.
The issue is that they rushed things just to get to the Ent-G to set up Legacy.
When it could have been Ent-E at Frontier Day, Seven gets command of the Ent-F, and in Legacy, Seven could have been given command of the Ent-G. Just time skip a decade later for the latter.
Seems awfully convoluted just to have her in command of a ship.
Really, if Matalas was dead-set on making the Titan-A into an Enterprise, he could have just made it the F and ignore STO completely.
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