I....would love to see this. Would it annoy a lot of people that Clark's back to hiding in the shadows while every other character makes references to someone saving people like "that flying guy" or "man of steel" used to do, sure. But I'd watch.
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I....would love to see this. Would it annoy a lot of people that Clark's back to hiding in the shadows while every other character makes references to someone saving people like "that flying guy" or "man of steel" used to do, sure. But I'd watch.
Man, some of those characters are deep goddamned cuts. I had to look a couple of them up myself. Respect!
(But why no Jane Kent? Clark and Lois did have "girls," plural, in the Arrowverse's "CoIE." Also, isn't your casting for Carol too old?)
(Yes, I am taking this too seriously.)
(But why no Jane Kent? Clark and Lois did have "girls," plural, in the Arrowverse's "CoIE." Also, isn't your casting for Carol too old?)
(Yes, I am taking this too seriously.)
It's not exclusive to DC and WB. When Paramount and CBS were seperate entities, there was a 10 year no compete between them, blocking any TV Trek content from 2007 to 2017, so the Kelvin movies could do their thing.
I'm calling BS on this "WBD forced us to cancel the show because they're doing another movie" thing; it smacks entirely of scapegoating and blame-shifting.
The story is partially true and partially not true. Warner has done the "TV character needs to go away for movie character" before (but it's not something they do every time with every character). However, the way the budget was slashed and considering the new CW owners don't own the show, it was never going to get a fifth season anyway.
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The only instance I can think of where they were open to two live-action versions of the full-fledged superhero existing at the same time (as opposed to a non-costumed version of the character as in Smallville, Titans, or Gotham, or an adjacent series like Birds of Prey, Batwoman, or Gotham Knights) was with The Flash, and I always figured that just got grandfathered in because the show was made before the movie was planned and was too big a hit to cancel. Although as it turned out, the Flash movie was delayed so long that the TV series ended before its release anyway.
I forgot about them having two girls. So I guess I would cast Millicent Simmonds as Jane. As for the age thing I feel this would be a few years after we last saw Clark in the Arrowverse crossover event so they would have time to age up the kids.
The old regime was the DCFU, so they wanted the films to take precedence if there was a conflict
Now we have the DC OU (Omni Verse), where they have stated that they want most of their movie & TV & Games (and maybe even animation) to tie together (except for the occasional "Elseworlds" product, like the Joker movie)
We are oversaturated, not just with superhero stuff from both DC and Marvel, but also, just a lot of great products, and not just in the US but also international. SO i think streamlining it makes the most sense... that way in addition to character-specific audiences, you will also have a growing core that would be willing -- and able -- to follow EVERYTHING.
The opposite of the would the CW Arrowverse shows. When they had 5 shows at the same time, it was absolutely impossible for me to follow all of them. I suspect hat was true for much of the audience.
Nice BTS "family portrait" for the new season.
https://ew.com/superman-and-lois-season-4-casts-yvonne-chapman-as-amanda-mccoy-8605464
Though the article accurately describes her as a minor character in the comics, McCoy is still pretty memorable. She's a brilliant computer scientist working for Luthor, and devises a computer system to collate all available information on Superman. (She also gets sexually harassed by Lex and coerced into sleeping with him.) As the article describes, when the computer spits out that Kent is Superman, Luthor furiously rejects the conclusion and fires McCoy on the spot. It's a defining moment for the post-Crisis version of Lex: He's so determined that power can only be used to dominate and exploit and aggrandize oneself, he rejects out of hand the idea that Superman would ever choose to live as an ordinary man.
It's pretty cool that S&L is bringing a version of Amanda to our screens. Seems she's been more successful at staying in Lex's good graces than her comics counterpart.
Yvonne Chapman was great in Kung Fu, so I'm glad to hear this. I'm more interested in her than I am in more of Cudlitz's underwhelming version of Luthor. Interesting that they're building up a minor '80s character instead of using Mercy Graves. But if McCoy's defining trait is that she figured out who Superman was, that might be what they want to build on.
Sums up my view of the portrayal as well. "Biker gang leader" Luthor is not nearly the best variation on the character. Drawing only upon live action versions, I'd pick the all too brief version from Titans as my favourite in the past ten years.
The last time you said this, I hadn't yet seen Titans' Luthor, but now that I have ... man, I just can't agree. I mean, Welliver was solid, but he only had, like, three important scenes. It would take an incredible actor and performance to make a major impression in the role with that little screentime, and for me, Welliver didn't. Even with your "past ten years" limitation, I think Cryer absolutely runs away with the prize, and I even found Eisenberg more impressive and memorable.
All IMO, of course.
Welliver is a better actor than the others. I’m confident he’d have been better than them (IMHOThe last time you said this, I hadn't yet seen Titans' Luthor, but now that I have ... man, I just can't agree. I mean, Welliver was solid, but he only had, like, three important scenes. It would take an incredible actor and performance to make a major impression in the role with that little screentime, and for me, Welliver didn't. Even with your "past ten years" limitation, I think Cryer absolutely runs away with the prize, and I even found Eisenberg more impressive and memorable.
All IMO, of course.
). And I have ZERO doubts that he’d be better than what we’re getting.
I will say that the scene where Kory invades Luthor's penthouse was genius. But I have to give the writing and staging as least as much credit for that as Welliver.
Of course it depends a lot of what the viewer wants from a Lex. Hackman is arguably the best actor in the bunch (without question, in my opinion), but his Lex came from before the character's reinvention and many don't care for a more comedic Lex.
The character's reinvention has nothing to do with it, because Hackman's Luthor bears little resemblance to the Luthor of earlier or contemporary comics. That Luthor was not a comedic figure, and he was far more of an inventor and mad scientist than the movie Luthor. As the character evolved in the '50s-'70s, he was refined into a former friend of Superboy's turned bitter and vengeful, and into an ambiguous figure who had redemptive qualities and even the potential for heroism if he hadn't been so obsessed with fighting Superman. He was actually a far more nuanced and interesting character than the movie's version.
(For that matter, Superman III's Ross Webster basically was the post-Crisis Luthor.)
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