Madame Web, go-go Marvel Fatigue!
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She was actually a good character and also one in service of a male character. Those complaints are usually over characters that are actually not all that great and most of these complaints also tend to revolve less about their being female characters being represented but how the male characters are written around her. Every popular female character that is beloved seems to exists in a show or movie that also has a equal or almost equal male character.
Ripley had mostly male truck drivers types then marines in the second movie. Sarah Connor exists in a movie with Arnold's Terminator and Kyle Reese not to mention John Connor being the future savior. Wonder Woman had Steve Trevor. Even in Barbie you have the very popular Ken character.
That is the trend I have noticed in more mainstream entertainment. This changes when you get to horror where the female characters have always been strong, hence the final girl trope and of course romantic comedies. Then you have prestige movies or shows were they are more likely going to be rewarded with awards than ratings it doesn't matter.Those movies cover the entire gambit of the human experience.
Watching SNL...
During her monologue Sydney Sweeny says "You probably seen me in "Anyone But You", or "Euphoria", but you have definitely have not seen me in "Madame Web"."
During her monologue Sydney Sweeny says "You probably seen me in "Anyone But You", or "Euphoria", but you have definitely have not seen me in "Madame Web"."
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The Alien movies and Terminator 2 are protected by some sort of weird "the exception to the rule" thing. Even the most insistent of the whiners complaining about "woke feminism ruining modern movies" seems okay with Ellen Ripley and Sarah Connor being action heroines. It's weird and bizarre, but it is the way, apparently.
So it's fine as long as the woman never ever gets to be a genuine lead and always is overshadowed by men?
When cavemen first saw fire, they tried to have sex with it, and burnt their junk. This was an important lesson they had to learn, as cavemen, and important to their character.
When 70s men first saw a woman crawl out of a heap of bled out dead male actors to kill the boss monster with a machine gun she was clearly too petite to use without braking a nail, we thought it was the same lesson that fire taught us half a million years ago and kept a respectful distance.
By the time that the boys of the word figured out that there was nothing to fear from female empowerment, it was too late, because there were no real men left.
No one in their right mind would argue that Ripley is not the lead in Aliens.
She's not the lead until after all the men die.
If a man had lived, as long as she had, Ellen would have been told to start the washing up, while they saved the day.
(Sorry, I was thinking of Alien.)
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Not making moral judgments. Just noticing something I think is common in most of these female led movies that have had success and not taken lots of neckbeard heat. Still I wouldn't say the women aren't allowed to be the genuine leads in these movies or shows.. Ripley,Buffy,Sarah Connor for example are not characters hurt by the strong male characters in the movies. It's more along the lines I think of men wanting to see the male perspective represented in the movies so they have someone they can relate to.
One complaint I notice from lots of them is that in movies they do hate on is because they feel the men in the movies are written as being weak or over the top evil in order to make the female character look good in comparison. Basically they are their to be like a jobber in wrestling. Where as the movies they do like the male character is allowed to also be good and well written, just like the female lead.
The story plays out the same as when Ripely was a well, a guy. So Ripley's gender is irrelevant.
My argument is that the 70s hate women, not that I hate women.
Besides, I was mistakenly thinking of the first movie when I typed that.
Sexism actually kind of helped the "Alien" movie at the time. I don't think people at the time expected Ripley to be the one that survives and kills the monster at the end of the movie. Thus people were even more surprised at the twist and turns. Especially Tom Skeritt being killed off in the middle of the movie. I bet most people at the time felt he would be the ultimate hero of the movie at the time.
she's the final girl in a slasher movie... in spaaaaace