Apologies, quoted the wrong post I think.
Sony Spider-Verse discussion thread
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Why should I believe you then?
Have I given you reason not to?
PS I edited my other post as to why I don’t/won’t. Not being belligerent. It was out there in 2012. You’re welcome to delve into the interwebs if you’re that interested and that mis-trusting
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I fail to see what’s so extraordinary or incredulous about something that you… one two three four?… clearly didn’t read in 2012 but was documented by the likes of SFX, Den of Geek, Hollywood reporter etc. and which was very much clearly pre-release jitters by execs who had greenlit and funded a very very big gamble.I second that, it's the first time I heard something like that.
Nor what’s so extraordinary about movie execs (famously always in touch, right?) and CEOs (such as the ever sane Ike Perlmutter (sp)) saying something batshit like “This isn’t cinematic enough, we’re going to lose millions here” in a thread where we’re talking (off topic ish too) about the rash of studios doing the exact same thing 12 years later.
It was reported around the time that the first full trailer came out. You’re all welcome to google it but you don’t have to pile on and [try to] fucking gaslight me for remembering something which passed you by.
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i don't think anyone was saying it was a masterpiece... but given the track record of the directors, and the amount of money spent, as well as actors involved (c'mon man, JK Simmons!) , as well as suspicions about David Zaslav's judgement/values... many of us think it would have been better than what Zaslav told stockholders. Certainly no worse than The Flash
Actually, i think a couple of changes??? The initial plan was for it to be on Max... as they are trying to pump that streaming service to compare with the other ones. But then some genius thought it would be better in the theater (i suspect someone not running Max). Then we get the merger with Discovery, where control has now changed.
And then we got David Zaslav, who many of us are seeing as a non-creative bean counter who is just trying to make a quick buck... he didn't have confidence that it would make a lot of money in the theaters....and can someone remind me of the timing of Batgirl's trashing to Zack Snyder's Justice League? I suspect that ZSJL did not justify the cost put into it (i.e. how many subscribed to see it and/or even viewed it in the first place), so Zaslav went the penny pnching route... completely oblivious to how the PR would spin out of control.
And also the directors were the guys who did Bad Boys for Life, which was the top grossing movie of 2020. OK, sure the pandemic lockdown started 2 months after the release.... but its numbers would have placed it in the top 10 in 2023 (the year after all the lockdowns were clearly removed). They had experience with a cinematic action success.... and at least for me, MS. Marvel showed what they could do (in a positive creative way) with TV-based filming.
The quality "had" to be promoted as bad to justify the tax-write off strategy.
No one gaslighted you, they simply asked for a source on something you claimed.
First of all nobody can be bothered to read everything posted online, that's impossible.
Secondly, you keep using the word gaslighting, I don't think you what that means.
And, I’ve given an explanation for why I won’t be providing one.
They’re free to believe or disbelieve what they want. But to ridicule by requests for evidence is suggesting by implication that I am making something up, which I’m not. That’s at the least gaslighting adjacent.
Hey guys....instead of bashing each other, can we focus on bashing SOny instead? I think we can all agree the management there is terrible???
No, not really.
I don't feel the need to bash anyone.
I don't feel the need to bash anyone.
I've done a Google search about Disney execs supposedly claiming The Avengers wasn't cinematic and all I get are multiple results about Martin Scorsese's comments. I've also read the book MCU which goes into detail about many of the behind the scenes drama that went on with the MCU films and other Marvel productions (including the Sony Spiderverse movies) and it doesn't mention any such concerns being voiced about The Avengers either.
That's fine, I personally couldn't care less one way or the other about that part.
But asking for proof still isn't gaslighting. Adjacent or direct.
Hey, she got paid.If I recall correctly, in her acceptance speech (yes, she showed up and accepted the award live on camera) she said "I would like to thank my agent for casting me in this piece of shit".
"You may have seen me in Anyone But You and Euphoria. You definitely didn't see me in Madame Web."
I would definitely go see that.
