That doesn't surprise me in the slightest. This is Sony after all.
Sony Spider-Verse discussion thread
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Avi Arad showed the script for Blade's debut story in the cartoon to David Goyer, which eventually led to the film. Though Goyer wrote at least his first draft early enough that the cartoon was able to incorporate some of its elements. That's why Blade's mentor, Whistler, a character Goyer created for the film, shows up in the cartoon. So maybe the half-vampire element also originated with Goyer.
Venom 3 is coming close to the end of filming, says Juno Temple, who at least manages to sound more enthusiastic about it than the Madam Web cast could do:
https://variety.com/2024/film/news/venom-3-end-filming-juno-temple-crazy-1235921648/
https://variety.com/2024/film/news/venom-3-end-filming-juno-temple-crazy-1235921648/
At this point the Venom saga is the only profitable thing in the Sony Spider-Verse. Unless it's a really disaster it will make money.
A look at what might have been. The history of Silver and Black; the pre-production, a detailed look at Christopher Yost's script, and its cancellation. It still sounds better than anything Sony has actually released in their spider universe.
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Don't know if it was covered by the video but maybe there's hope that someone else will some day pick up Yost's script. But I guess not as long as Sony retains the rights as they keep pumping shit after shit.
It's like 'Batgirl' . There's nothing to suggest it would have been any better than the other terrible movies but because it will never be seen people will convince themselves they're being deprived of a masterpiece.
I still have the impression that Batgirl was probably at least adequate from a story standpoint; the negative quotes from the studio execs seemed to be specifically about its production values, that it looked like a TV movie (as it was intended to be) and thus wasn't considered visually impressive enough for theatrical release, which is what the studio wanted to prioritize.
Either way, we deserved to find out for ourselves, and the cast and crew deserved to have their work released so they could earn residuals from it.
Yes, those few frames that were seen gave the impression of an "embellished television film", but otherwise I completely agree with you.
Of course, this is an absurd excuse, as the film wasn't suited to the required standards could be understood from the first dailies, not from the complete and finished film.
I think the issue is that there was a change of management when the film was pretty well along in production. The previous regime wanted to make both big-budget features and smaller TV/streaming productions, with Batgirl being in the latter category, while the new regime was only interested in making huge-budget tentpoles. So the movie may have been good enough for what the original execs intended, but didn't live up to the new execs' standards. It's not uncommon for new bosses to kill their predecessors' projects.
Well, yes, but something of this magnitude is quite unprecedented for a big budget production.
Certainly, but that wasn't the issue I was addressing. I was answering your question about why they didn't catch the perceived problems in "the first dailies" -- it's because the people in charge at that time didn't see it as a problem, while their successors did.
I don’t trust any exec who says a film isn’t cinematic enough. The Marvel/Disney execs said the same about The Avengers and were reportedly very worried about it before it was released. There were obviously incredibly wrong.
I'm not commenting on whether their opinion was correct or not, and I certainly don't agree with their decision. I'm merely addressing what the specific nature of their complaint was. I often see the reports interpreted as evidence that the story or the acting was bad, but from the actual quotes that were reported, it seems their concerns were with the production values instead. It might have been a perfectly good story, just not blockbusterish enough for the new WB regime that only wants gigantic tentpoles.
I just hope someday we get the chance to find out one way or the other.
You'll have to back that one up with some evidence.
No, I don’t.
ETA - and by that I mean I can’t be bothered to go trawling through the 12 years worth of internet which has happened in the interim (including contemporary complaints about Phase 5 not looking cinematic and the whole Martin Scorsese fiasco) to find the site(s) that I read it on in 2012, just to provide a couple of aged links. You’re just going to have to trust my memory of reading it.
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