Agreed. A second funeral would have been narratively redundant, and the sacrifices of both Nat and Vision were sufficiently acknowledged in the movie in the conversation between Wanda and Clint at the lakeside.
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I found it odd that Stark's funeral wasn't for Natasha as well.
Heathers?
"I love my gay son!"
Maybe Kenny's family is poor, because they paid for 400 funerals a year?
"Wonder how he'd feel about a gay son with a pulse."
Thankfully, the Hawkeye show paid her memory the respect it deserved. But really, how Endgame treated her was just another example of how poorly done Black Widow's whole character was in the MCU. It says a lot that Yelena was better done in ONE movie than Natasha was in 6.
Considering that my niece and a lot of her friends wear their hair like that now, maybe the makeup department was predicting the future.
She finally is written as a proper leading character just in time to be killed...in a blatant cliche of "Woman killed to motivate the men". Her death is barely acknowledged compared to Tony, she gets no funeral or remembrance.
Thankfully the Hawkeye show made up for that with Yelena's anger, Clint's sad reminiscing and stuff like having kids wearing Natasha's hairstyle.
"..limp wrist with a pulse".
You can debate (very credibly) how the MCU handled Black Widow. (I'm still shaking my head over the Ultron Lego set that replaced Nat with Cap.)
I think her movie was more of a disservice to the character than how her death was handled in Endgame.
That doesn't track. Everyone was already sufficiently motivated. Someone had to die to get the stone.
And it just HAD to be the one major female character on the team, giving us a traditional "Stuffed in the Fridge" moment unintentional or not
OK. While the fact that she didn't get a funeral scene is a legitimate complaint, although it's not one I agree with, the notion that her death was "barely acknowledged" or that there wasn't any "remembrance", or that it was done just to motivate the men, is utter nonsense.
Immediately after the fact, we have that scene set at the lake where the surviving OG are processing what happened. We see pretty much all of the six stages of grief expressed in that meeting. It would be nice if they had time to group hug and schedule appointments with their therapists, but the clock is ticking. The universe is at stake. If Natasha herself were there, I'm sure she would start off her reply to this scene with, "If you boys are done gazing into each other's eyes..."
Then there was the aforementioned scene between Clint and Wanda at the funeral, not only acknowledging Natasha's death again, but Vision's as well.
Then, yet again, when Banner admits that he tried to bring her back with his snap but failed.
And this thought that her death was done just to motivate the men or that she was simply "fridged" shows a complete lack of understanding of, and utterly belittles, Natasha's sacrifice, her heroism and her story arc as a whole. This is the woman who once believed that she had so much red in her ledger that she would never make up for it sacrificing herself to save not only her best friend, but no less than half of the bloody universe itself. "To motivate the men..." Yeesh.
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OK. while the fact that she didn't get a funeral scene is a legitimate complaint, although it's not one I agree with, the notion of her death was barely acknowledged or that there wasn't any "remembrance" , or that it was done just to motivate the men, is utter nonsense.
Immediately after the fact, we have that scene set at the lake where the surviving OG is processing what happened. We see pretty much all of the six stages of grief expressed in that meeting. It would be nice if they had time to group hug and schedule appointments with their therapists, but the clock is ticking. The universe is at stake. If Natasha herself were there, I'm sure she would start off her reply to this scene with, "If you boys are done gazing into each other's eyes..."
Then there was the aforementioned scene between Clint and Wanda at the funeral, not only acknowledging Natasha's death again, but Vision's as well.
Then, yet again, when Banner admits that he tried to bring her back with his snap but failed.
And this thought that her death was done just to motivate the men or that she was simply "fridged" shows a complete lack of understanding of, and utterly belittles, Natasha's sacrifice, her heroism and her story arc as a whole. This is the woman who once had so much red in her ledger that she believed that she would never make up for it sacrificing herself to save no less than half of the bloody universe. "To motivate the men..." Yeesh.
I think the issue is more in terms of story flow. It makes sense to focus more on Stark. He has been the heart of the MCU from day one. We didn't have a funeral for Vision either. Plus you got a Black Widow movie coming soon, while this is literally the swan song for Tony Stark and also the entire Endgame phase.
Each character from Phase 1 except Thor and Hulk, sort of have their own separate goodbyes. Stark had the funeral. Black Widow had the goodbye fight with Hawkeye. Steve Rogers got to pass on the baton to Sam Wilson and go back in time to be with his beloved. Hawkeye gets to go home to his family back from the blip and in theory retire.
Nor for Quicksilver.
Just to be clear, I wasn't advocating actually seeing Nat's funeral. I was responding to the idea that it should have been a joint Stark/Romanoff funeral.