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They could have cut Shaw's death scene to fit it in.
I understand they had no idea that Shaw would become a favourite among the fandom.
Yeah it did. Or at the very least it said they were not longer a threat.it did not
That all sounds dissimilar in plot, but similar in awfulness.
So, so many. I get that with all its tech (which basically amounts to magic), writing a Trek story is probably very challenging, but, still:
- If Picard was enduring regular assassination attempts, and Beverly suddenly disappeared without explanation, wouldn't he track her down, fearing that she'd been captured or killed? As a fellow Enterprise officer, and a known close friend of his, surely she'd be considered a potential target, too? He just let her go, like a present-day person who gets ghosted by a one-night stand?
- Why exactly did the Borg need Picard's brain? Didn't they already have his DNA on file? What made his brain lobes so much more special than those of the countless other human and humanoid drones they've had access to? (Was it his high midichlorian count?)
- If Shaw's such a by-the-book captain, why does he never once consult with his senior staff for ideas? Vadic gives them an hour to hand over Jack, which is an hour he could be coming up with a plan to attack or flee. Instead, he sits around, doing f***-all apart from making pissy remarks at Picard. How did this numbskull ever get promoted above lieutenant, junior grade?
- After disposing of all of one Changeling, why did Picard, Riker, and Beverly, to say nothing of Shaw, not quarantine any new arrivals to the Titan until a thorough medical examination was done? They let three people on board (Ro Laren and the other two officers), and two of them turned out to be Changelings, which got Ro killed. Great job, idiots!
- Why would Section 31 put a highly unstable mix of Data, the cognitively delayed B4, the psychotic Lore, and the synth supremacist Alton Soong in charge of their outpost's security? Not a great plan.
- Why did Picard and Beverly let Jack escape the Titan? They should have put force fields around him, then beamed him to the brig - like Troi said, there were security protocols prepared for exactly this sort of situation. And Jack's little voyage of self-discovery led directly to the deaths of thousands, probably, but the important thing is, he got to work through his issues himself?
The totality of stupid in this season was quite simply mind-boggling, and the melodramatic soap opera juice was not worth the squeeze.
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One of the things I discovered when trying to talk about all the holes in the initial SNW episodes almost two years ago is people would dismiss them and ultimately come down to "you just don't like it". A few people here just don't like PS3. It would be interesting to see the same level of scrutiny given to all other live action NuTrek seasons...
There are few works of fiction that don’t have at least one plot hole. Star Trek in any incarnation is certainly no different. I make no pretense that I probably focus on Picard season 3’s more than most because I’m not a fan. At the same time, I recognize that as a Star Trek fan, I could always try to use my brain to connect the dots as we as Star Trek fans have done so many times before.
I would welcome it. Things critiqued in New Trek are continually given a pass in old Trek. Seasons in a show are regarded differently because...
Trek should have no sacred cows.
Indeed yes.
He never allowed himself to get close to anyone. Plus, there was the trauma following the explosion of Romulus.
He's not a fighter. He's not the fighter that Seven is (He herded the crew inside the Ready Room -- thereby making a ripe target for Vadic and her minions).
He panicked. He's a coward.
As to why he was promoted, he was "the best of what was left" after the Dominion War took out a good deal of the senior officer corps.
They were in a crisis and Beverly didn't have the tools to do anything other than a postmortem screening.
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They do recieve the same level.
I don't think he and Beverly were casually shagging.
Then Riker and Picard should have set him straight (to use the time to come up with contingency plans). Bad writing is no excuse for bad writing.
They didn't think they were in a crisis when the Titan showed up, and they had a full sickbay to screen any newcomers with. Given what had just happened, there was every reason to treat any newcomer with extreme caution, for the sake of the whole crew. Instead, Shaw made flippant remarks about how glad he was that Picard would soon be gone, and showed no concern whatsoever for his murdered crew, and ensuring the safety of those left. Nor, for that matter, did Picard or Riker or Beverly.
Bad writing is no excuse for bad writing.
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Are real life people "poorly written" when they don't do what others think they should?
Trek isn't real; ergo, nonsense question is nonsense.
I'll say this, however: Trek, at its core, is a story about military officers trained and experienced in combat undertaking dangerous missions, with Picard S3 no exception. If a given Trek series or episode manages to tell a heartfelt story about human foibles, the bonds between family and friends, or wacky sci-fi/fantasy phenomena, great. But a Trek story's fundamental mission - its Prime Directive, if you will - is to portray characters who are meant to be competent and experienced acting in competent and experienced ways. This means taking threats seriously, calling on each other to contribute ideas and competence in their own given fields, and putting professionalism over pettiness.
Obviously, it's a lot easier to write characters as being hotheaded and foolish, because conflict is key to drama, and fools are quick to fight amongst each other. The challenge of writing good Trek, therefore, is to write characters that are competent, experienced, and professional, while also building up compelling drama from opposing points of view.
But for most of S3, everyone just acts like hotheaded idiots making stupid choices. And it sucks. IMHO.
I don’t see Shaw as a coward.
I do see him as one of those people who bitch and grumble constantly about “management” but never,ever do anything other than bitch and grumble.
Shaw went about his career as a “safe pair of hands” never rocking the boat.Maybe that does qualify as a certain kind of cowardice but I dunno.
I do see him as one of those people who bitch and grumble constantly about “management” but never,ever do anything other than bitch and grumble.
Shaw went about his career as a “safe pair of hands” never rocking the boat.Maybe that does qualify as a certain kind of cowardice but I dunno.
After Shaw surviving Wolf 359 and dealing with Post traumatic stress he wanted to be by the book and not dealing with dangerous situations to try and keep his ship from getting attacked and not having crew members get killed by dangerous aliens like Vanick. That's what I got out of watching his character in the first few episodes of Picard season 3.
That in no way explains his dithering and failure to task his senior officers with making plans to fight or flee during the hour Vadic gave him.
An incompetent assclown, unfit for command.
Shaw was the worst captain we've ever seen in the franchise. And a significant portion of his stupidity was recycled and stuffed into Picard and Riker's mouths in other episodes, too. The people in charge of making PIC season 3 simply don't seem to have the slightest clue what leadership actually is.
Random thought which has probably been answered in a previous discussion here or in another thread...
How was Oh able to infiltrate Starfleet? Did she play the "long game" and start from the ground up as a cadet at the Academy and work her way up to Commodore over the years? Or did she steal the identity of a mid-career officer somewhere along the way?
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How was Oh able to infiltrate Starfleet? Did she play the "long game" and start from the ground up as a cadet at the Academy and work her way up to Commodore over the years? Or did she steal the identity of a mid-career officer somewhere along the way?
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I'm assuming the latter but knowing how dodgy a lot of PIC writing was (even when I liked it) I wouldn't put it past the writing room to think a Romulan joining Starfleet 30 or 40 years earlier and just pretending to be a Vulcan was a good idea. The Shinzon clone story went ahead for NEM so it wouldn't be the first time Trek writers had a dumb idea to connect a Romulan plot to Picard and years before the Star Empire should have had the capacity.
Starfleet Security is really bad at their job.
They likely did not do any background checks, at all. Meaning Oh could come up with any backstory she wanted to, and they just accepted it.
My headcanon is that she was born on Jenjor VI (some planet that Picard visited while commanding the Stargazer, according to the PIC comics), then ran away and joined the Maquis. She then escaped the attacks from the Dominion and joined the Romulans, serving as a centurion under Sela during the Dominion War. She then left Romulus during the Shinzon crisis and created a fake backstory of being a long lost survivor a Federation-Dominion battle to rise through the ranks.
As for the sunglasses, she's actually part Reman.
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