If one were to take the quote at its word, it would say they are not doing anything with it at the moment.
Ok. What is the chance of a Picard spinoff?
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If one were to take the quote at its word, it would say they are not doing anything with it at the moment.
You can't always take these quotes at their word, that's the counterpoint.
Just ask Andrew Garfield.
on the other hand the only bit of Trek that Paramount+ advertised this superbowl was just Stewart himself. Different from last year when LD and SNW both got some attention. Even more telling that a final season of Discovery is about to drop but the only SF show they gave attention to was Season 2 of Halo. I don't think Paramount is done with Star Trek but if we were doing Kremlinology on it right now, it would be fair to say it's not in good favor at the moment.
It was never CBS/Paramount’s idea in the first place. It was just Matalas’s wishful thinking that fans took as some kind of gospel.
Possibly. At the same time, I have to wonder: Why would Paramount allow him to have mentioned it at all? And why would Jonathan Frakes or Akiva Goldsman openly throw in their support? It seems like something Paramount wouldn't allow them to talk about, whether they were considering it or not. Something's off about this: because if it's absolutely not happening and absolutely not being considered, then it makes Matalas, Frakes, and Goldsman look unprofessional.
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We've just been through a six-month-long actor's/writer's strike. The campaign is just getting started.
If there's truly absolutely, positively NO money, what's going to happen to SNW? It's not going to run forever.
At this rate (not counting S3 which is currently in production), it has one or two seasons left at the maximum (assuming P+ is still cancelling live action Trek shows after five seasons tops).
Especially when cast and crew have signed NDAs and are sworn to secrecy.
They're not going to spill stuff to the press unless P+ gives its blessing.
What happened with him? I'm not familiar with that situation.
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It might all even still be part of Matalas' begging (it really looks like begging at this point, sorry but not sorry) for that Legacy series. One thing he has to do in order for it to succeed is to keep mentioning it and then look and note at the excitement his words create so that he can convince Paramount there's a massive demand. Matalas is notorious for not being able to keep his mouth shut about stuff. I think he'd sound a little differently if Legacy was actually actively being talked about in whatever office it is at Paramount where decisions like this are made.
And... I just don't see it. A whole series based on nothing but "keeping up with Berman Trek legacy characters"? I'm not sure there's a large enough audience for this. Something like this definitely won't bring in new subscribers to Paramount+ (because frankly, only the die-hard Trekkies care about something like this and they already have a subscription). It was a whole different situation with SNW - the fans wanted this, yes, but there was also the fact that it's set during Paramount's favorite cash cow era (TOS) AND Pike was largely a character who didn't have any lore behind him. It was right up their alley. A new series that is based on a TON of existing Trek lore in every new episode... yikes. Lots and lots of canon restrictions etc. Not that they care much about those, granted, but the fans do, and I can already see the outcry at things. (We're talking about a fandom that got upset about Worf having a white beard, for crying out loud. lol)
And... I just don't see it. A whole series based on nothing but "keeping up with Berman Trek legacy characters"? I'm not sure there's a large enough audience for this. Something like this definitely won't bring in new subscribers to Paramount+ (because frankly, only the die-hard Trekkies care about something like this and they already have a subscription). It was a whole different situation with SNW - the fans wanted this, yes, but there was also the fact that it's set during Paramount's favorite cash cow era (TOS) AND Pike was largely a character who didn't have any lore behind him. It was right up their alley. A new series that is based on a TON of existing Trek lore in every new episode... yikes. Lots and lots of canon restrictions etc. Not that they care much about those, granted, but the fans do, and I can already see the outcry at things. (We're talking about a fandom that got upset about Worf having a white beard, for crying out loud. lol)
If they cared about outcry, nothing would get made.
If you want to look at it like that, only Diehard Trekkies care about any of the streaming series. To John Q. Public, the only Star Trek they're aware of (when they're not confusing it with Star Wars) is TOS, TNG, and the Abrams Films. That's the cold, harsh truth.
I think at this point, it's not about getting new subscriptions through Trekkies. It's been over six years now. It's about making sure they keep those subscriptions. They don't want anyone leaving.
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Not necessarily.
That's what Terry wanted for a while -- a "Where Are They Now?" anthology series (Terry: "We could have Ferengis one week and Klingons the next! Don't you want to know what happened to the Klingon Empire after the Dominion War? What happened to Alexander?")
Boring ...
To complain about all the "legacy" characters is to ignore all the NEW characters that were introduced at the end of Picard S3 (The La Forge sisters, Jack Crusher, Mura, Esmar, Dr. Ohk, Shaw, etc. Picard S3 barely scratched the surface with them!
)If P+ is concerned about how to promote it, they can tell the truth and call it a sequel to Star Trek: Picard (no one seems to be too bothered with Better Call Saul being a spinoff of Breaking Bad).
Disco jumped into the 32nd century to get AWAY from canon restrictions (only to create NEW canon as a result).
I thought Michael looked great (very Pei Mei
).
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They don't care about some outcry, that much is true. But they do care about a LOT of it, it's like you said, they have to keep the Trekkies around somehow. This is why they completely overhauled Disco when the fans protested about how it didn't fit into canon enough. They brought in the PIC season 3 nostalgia bait when the fans protested about how the show ignored existing canon and tried new things. They DO care. They HAVE to. It's a very thin line for them - on one hand they want new subscribers aka casual Trekkies who know TOS and maybe TNG. On the other, they also indeed want to keep the existing die-hard Trekkie subscriptions around.
Basically... it's one big Kobayashi Maru situation.
And even when they bring in legacy characters, they're not necessarily perfect renderings of what they were in their previous shows (SNW fans are complaining about how Chapel now swings both ways -- "Nurse Chapel done gone woke!"
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"I don't believe in the no-win scenario."Basically... it's one big Kobayashi Maru situation.
LD already gave a hint as to what’s happening with the Ferengi.
They’re joining the Federation.
As for the Klingons, just drop a line suggesting the Klingon having border wars with the Romulan Free State and the Gorn Hegemony. And another line of Picard being invited to go targ hunting with Martok and Worf one time (to explain Martok's relevancy to Picard in S2) and be done with it.
I don't think another deep dive with the Klingons is needed right now. At least early 25th century Klingons.
32nd century Klingons is another matter.
That seems like a sensible thing to do. Not just for Legacy, but any project tangibly related to PIC.
What happened with him? I'm not familiar with that situation.
Nothing bad at all, just swearing up and down that he wasn't in the latest Spider-Man movie so as to not spoil the surprise that it was a Spider-Man reunion. I agree with him in that half of the fun is in the surprise at the moment, but at the same time, I'm sure he wasn't even allowed to say anything even if he wanted to. NDAs are a big part of the business that people tend to forget about.
People will think what they will regardless.
Oh. I know. If nothing else, the existence of the Flat Earth Society is proof of that...
Which is often the case when nothing is happening.
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