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[fireproof78]

Slipstream should be a thing by then... so explore new areas of the galaxy. They could easily come back home and follow up on established species, just as TNG did with the Klingons, Romulans, etc. Don't put in things that unnecessarily cross the red lines of established fans. If you want to follow up a prior episode, don't make it a mystery box and instead put it in a "last time on Star Trek..." segment before the opening teaser.

But what is that red line?

No one has that answer. Yes, TNG did it well, but the way it is described now is "don't go anywhere new" and I'm firmly opposed to that. I am far more interested in checking with Klingons after you establish something new.

Some people here act like every prior episode in Star Trek's what 600+ episode history has the density of THE X-FILES mythology. If Legacy would be the Next Next Generation, what could a Next Next Next Generation be, set in the say 2460's to put it 200 years post TOS and 80ish years post TNG/DS9/VGR midpoint?

Having had several casuals or nonfans in my life and family I can say that many people treat it that way, and don't want to get in to the franchise because of it.

 

[BillJ]

I mean, I think episodes like “Strange New Worlds” saying that our current political climate is unsustainable, “Lift Us Where Suffering Cannot Reach” which as a tearjerkingly hard hour to get through still challenges preconceptions of just sitting by while horrible things happen to kids and “Ad Astra per Aspera,” all about acceptance, makes Strange New Worlds that kind of show. At the same time having some damned fun episodes like “Spock Amok”, “Charades”, “Those Old Scientists” and “Subspace Rhapsody,” just makes it FOR ME, the best of these series.

You're right about SNW (as far as season one goes, I haven't seen season two to comment), but for some reason, as well made as it is, it simply hasn't grabbed me the way it seems to have grabbed some other folks. Maybe I'll do some rewatches before I get to season two.

EDIT: I do think I figured it out, SNW doesn't feel like sci-fi, it feels like comfort food.

 

[Quinton]

Having had several casuals or nonfans in my life and family I can say that many people treat it that way, and don't want to get in to the franchise because of it.

"I would, but I don't know where to start" is the most common refrain I've heard from friends regarding Trek.

 

[Campe]

You're right about SNW (as far as season one goes, I haven't seen season two to comment), but for some reason, as well made as it is, it simply hasn't grabbed me the way it seems to have grabbed some other folks. Maybe I'll do some rewatches before I get to season two.

I respect that. I also know you’ve had some general dislike for Trek under Kurtzman. No judgment intended. Perhaps it’s just that you just don’t like this style.

 

[Dukhat]

I think Paramount's plans are to ride Trek into the ground until nothing profitable is left, then toss it like a used condom.

Maybe Byron Allen can save it?

I'm not trying to police folks or anything, but it is kind of funny how off-topic this has veered. Or arguably not veered. I suppose it depends on one's POV.

Giant Freakin' Robot have been slacking of late in their Bullshit Department.

 

[BillJ]

I respect that. I also know you’ve had some general dislike for Trek under Kurtzman. No judgment intended. Perhaps it’s just that you just don’t like this style.

It is funny. I was really stoked for Picard in the run-up to it, and stuck my nose up at Lower Decks. Then I ended up loving Lower Decks and decidedly disliked much of Picard.

 

[fireproof78]

EDIT: I do think I figured it out, SNW doesn't feel like sci-fi, it feels like comfort food.

Which is the intention. Ultimately, Pike and M'Benga are my biggest connections in terms of characters I click with.

It is funny. I was really stoked for Picard in the run-up to it, and stuck my nose up at Lower Decks. Then I ended up loving Lower Decks and decidedly disliked much of Picard.

Unexpected JAG reference: "The irony, sir."

 

[James Cole]

I'm not trying to police folks or anything, but it is kind of funny how off-topic this has veered. Or arguably not veered. I suppose it depends on one's POV.

We need a few spin off threads... Reboot vs continuation... what would a consensus series that would please most existing fans while being accessible to new fans look like...

"I would, but I don't know where to start" is the most common refrain I've heard from friends regarding Trek.

I'm not sure how guild rules and residuals would impact this, but just as Star Trek had themed DVD sets, Paramount+ should have themed, streamlined playlists. Best of TOS... Best of TNG... Discover the Klingons, Discover the Borg... Discover the Mirror Universe... Q...

Trek has failed at this, repeatedly though. Even going back to Berman Trek. VOY gave up on pilot's conceit of conflict between the Federation and Maquis crewmembers, and largely squandered any promise being isolated in the Delta Quadrant had (focusing on the Borg in later seasons, and even finding excuses to bring in familiar races through the holodeck and such). Enterprise was supposed to be a prequel, and ended up just operating exactly like TNG and VOY, with a bit of different terminology (hull plating, not shields, etc.)

A lot of that falls under UPN and studio interference though...

 

[Campe]

It is funny. I was really stoked for Picard in the run-up to it, and stuck my nose up at Lower Decks. Then I ended up loving Lower Decks and decidedly disliked much of Picard.

For me, Disco is fine but nothing really to write home about.
Picard started for me to be extremely promising but is just overall meh.
Lower Decks is a lot of fun and has evolved far beyond what I was expecting it to be.
Prodigy is good but I ultimately am not sure how good of an entry point it is for new fans.
And I just adore SNW.

 

[fireproof78]

I'm not sure how guild rules and residuals would impact this, but just as Star Trek had themed DVD sets, Paramount+ should have themed, streamlined playlists. Best of TOS... Best of TNG... Discover the Klingons, Discover the Borg... Discover the Mirror Universe... Q...

I use ST 09.

My wife watched DS9 because of it.

A lot of that falls under UPN and studio interference though...

Sad but true.

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Can never resist a Metallica reference.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Star Trek is too much of a cultural phenomenon for people, either fans or producers, to just completely give up on it. However, I don't see the present strategy of making five continuously running TV shows (which causes oversaturation and 'franchise fatigue'), or continually making announcements about a new film that will never get made after an 8 year glut of movies (which makes fans more and more disinterested in Trek films) is the answer.

I get the impression that they fully recognize this reality at this point. Prodigy is off the table and belongs to Netflix now; this upcoming season of DSC will be its last; Picard is done; and the only things that remain (for now) is SNW and LDS (thank goodness - they're my two favorite). Sure there other projects, but Legacy's future is uncertain, based on the current state of affairs of the Paramount purchase by some bigger entertainment conglomerate, as well as comments that recently appeared from both Matalas and DeLancie, who said, "it's just a nice idea", or that it will probably never happen due to the aftermath of the writer's strike, respectively.

So what's left? The Starfleet Academy series and Section 31 movie (that has already been paired down from its original conceptualized series model)? There hasn't been much of anything that has come out about the former that I'm aware of, and the latter only just recently got started in earnest and there have only ever been rumors, false starts and misfires about a fourth (and most likely final) Abramsverse film.

Trek has definitely throttled back in the past year and I don't see that changing any time soon. It won't be the post-ENT desolation, but it's not going to be five or six concurrent series a year, either.

 

[eschaton]

A lot of that falls under UPN and studio interference though...

Well yeah, and the same holds true today.

TNG and DS9 were syndicated shows, which gave them a lot of freedom from Paramount mandates. But these days, all Trek shows (other than I guess Prodigy Season 2, which has been abandoned) are part of a flagship Paramount property. Hence they're under the same pressures that VOY/ENT were.

There have been rumors about producers throttling various ideas that the writer's room had in more recent Trek, so interference by suits is still very much a big thing.

 

[Dukhat]

For me, Disco is fine but nothing really to write home about.
Picard started for me to be extremely promising but is just overall meh.
Lower Decks is a lot of fun and has evolved far beyond what I was expecting it to be.
Prodigy is good but I ultimately am not sure how good of an entry point it is for new fans.
And I just adore SNW.

1. DSC: Initially liked it, but probably just because of the feeling that Star Trek was back on TV since ENT was cancelled. Grew to like it less and less. And I very much dislike the Michael Burnham character that the entire show is based around.
2. Like you, PIC was promising at first but quickly devolved into something fairly absurd.
3. LDS: Annoying humor and annoying characters from the get-go. But I think there's a fairly decent show buried under all the chaff desperately seeking to be brought to the surface.
4. PRO: My favorite of all CBSTrek shows. Fun and original, although it is a bit more convoluted than it really needed to be.
5. SNW: If I treat it as a reboot, and that these characters, settings, ships, aliens etc. are based on the ones from TOS but are not actually them, then I find that I enjoy the show more. As a legitimate prequel to TOS, it fails miserably.

 

[Tuskin38]

Hell, soon enough an AI should be able to accomplish it, akin to upscaling a standard def master to HD.

No, fuck that, don't have AI doing Jobs talented Humans can easily do.

 

[fireproof78]

Trek has definitely throttled back in the past year and I don't see that changing any time soon. It won't be the post-ENT desolation, but it's not going to be five or six concurrent series a year, either.

Definitely true.

 

[James Cole]

No, fuck that, don't have AI doing Jobs talented Humans can easily do.

Talented humans in the 1960s already made TOS. Aside from a do over of the 2000s era HD effects I'd say let it be...

 

[Tuskin38]

Talented humans in the 1960s already made TOS. Aside from a do over of the 2000s era HD effects I'd say let it be...

No. If Humans can do it, Humans should do it.

 

[Tiran O'Saurus]

That's an incredibly shortsighted idea. Or do you think humans should be manually building cars with hammers, instead of letting machines do it?

On topic: I heard that Kurtzman broke TWELVE IMAX SCREENS when he was fired and replaced with Matalas and Section 31 was replaced with Legacy without any of the actors noticing when filming started!

 

[HotRod]

That's an incredibly shortsighted idea. Or do you think humans should be manually building cars with hammers, instead of letting machines do it?

Putting aside the cost of labour, yes. I've seen and driven a "hand built car"* before, and it sure beat the hell outta some Toyota built by machines.

*Ferrari F430. It is so choice. If you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up.

 

[Relayer1]

No, fuck that, don't have AI doing Jobs talented Humans can easily do.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite

It's coming, whatever you think.

You'd be better advised to working to ensure it results in increased wealth, leisure time and happiness for all rather than some dystopian incomeless wasteland.