Also great Picard/Wesley material. Now both of Wesley's parents would have died under Picard's command.
Keeping Tasha
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Also great Picard/Wesley material. Now both of Wesley's parents would have died under Picard's command.
Worf was a last-minute addition to the show and, while you are correct that he symbolized the peace between the Federation and the Klingons, he really wasn’t supposed to be much more than that. Of course one can argue that he became the break-out character despite this.
I guess having a human who grew up on a hellish non-Earth world isn't alien enough. Maybe if Tasha had been an alien, she might have stuck.
They saw Vasquez from Aliens, and built Tasha.
An alien would have been closer to the original artifact.
I concur with this.
It would have been an interesting subversion of type to make Worf chief engineer instead of security. Geordi could have stayed at Conn, they only stuck Wesley there because there was no where else to put him, even though his thing was supposed to be "engineering whiz-kid". I always thought Wesley and Worf had a funny dynamic, they would have been entertaining down in engineering together.
Yes!
Exactly what I think too.!
As for The Orville, I actually liked it. But I only got the chance to watch two seasons of it because after that, the European Fox channel started to show re-runs of those two seasons and then the European Fox channel disappeared.
There obviously was one more season but so far I haven't managed to find it anywhere.
The show was obviously cancelled after three seasons which is sad. It was a lot better than Star Trek Discovery and Star Trek Picard.
Wesley and Worf down in engineering! I love that.
It's always crazy to me how many scenes in engineering are just Geordi speaking, but they're also constructed like exchanges. He's delivering dialogue to extras -- none of whom ever talk back. (Seriously impressive acting from Levar Burton, making years of monologues sound like conversations) They really could have used two actual characters down there, rather than just the one, and Worf & Wesley would have been inspired.
I can't believe I've never noticed this before, but you're totally right -- it's going to be hard to not be distracted by that going forward.
I was watching "Skin of Evil" earlier today and actually what occurred to me was not "what if we kept Tasha?" (the Yar and Worf character concepts were pretty redundant, we were going to lose one of them), but "what if we kept Chief Engineer Leland T. Lynch? And what if he always introduced himself, every episode, with the catchphrase 'Lieutenant Commander Leland T. Lynch here'?"
Walker Boone was auditioning hard for that vacant Chief Engineer role in the first season. I like to think there's a part of the multiverse where they just ran with it, and Leland T. Lynch was every bit the pain in the ass that he comes across as in that episode.
Walker Boone was auditioning hard for that vacant Chief Engineer role in the first season. I like to think there's a part of the multiverse where they just ran with it, and Leland T. Lynch was every bit the pain in the ass that he comes across as in that episode.
That would've gotten old really fast
I love Picard's eyeroll at that. That whole revolving door, Chief-Engineer-of-the-week thing was really odd in Season 1. I get having a recurring character like Argyle down there before settling on one of the regulars but why so many one-shots? Where did Lynch come from and where did he go?
That's a great observation; it's all the more impressive given that many of those lines were also technobabble. LeVar's stated method of spitting out such lines as fast as he could to give the illusion that he knew what he was talking about, I think, helped them to sound more natural and conversational even when directed at extras who couldn't reply (or to a script supervisor reading in Picard's intercom lines).
I would've loved to see Tasha Yar remain. But perhaps only because she didn't?
In the TNG Q & A novel, we get glimpses of alternate Enterprise-E's (like in "Parallels"), including an UESPA ship where Tasha lived until the ship was captured by the Klingons, and another where she's an officer aboard the E. Would be so amazing to see Denise Crosby in the gray-shoulder uniform in NEM.
In the TNG Q & A novel, we get glimpses of alternate Enterprise-E's (like in "Parallels"), including an UESPA ship where Tasha lived until the ship was captured by the Klingons, and another where she's an officer aboard the E. Would be so amazing to see Denise Crosby in the gray-shoulder uniform in NEM.
It could have been nice to have Tasha stay but on the other hand her departure made some interesting things happen.
- Tasha in 'Yesterday's Enterprise', her story in that episode is great. The discussion between her and Picard when she asks to go to the Enterprise-C is awesome.
- When 'All Good Things...' visits their first mission in the past, she is there. It makes it feel like some time has really passed, it's not just the familiar faces.
- Sela, a puzzle for Picard, he sent Tasha to the past and now her daughter is here, what?
- Worf got to develop into a really interesting character.
- Tasha in 'Yesterday's Enterprise', her story in that episode is great. The discussion between her and Picard when she asks to go to the Enterprise-C is awesome.
- When 'All Good Things...' visits their first mission in the past, she is there. It makes it feel like some time has really passed, it's not just the familiar faces.
- Sela, a puzzle for Picard, he sent Tasha to the past and now her daughter is here, what?
- Worf got to develop into a really interesting character.
Thinking about it... no. Not really.
First everyone in the Alt Timeline died (or would have since the E was one second from exploding). Well... that is everyone EXCEPT Tasha. Everyone on the E dies saving the C. But Tasha actually survives all that and makes it to Romulus. She's the only one who doesn't die saving the C. And it's also arguable that her presence on the C didn't make that much of a difference. She was one officer in a battle meant to be lost.
As for her motivation to be on the C? Even if mainline Tasha hadn't died, you could still argue that Alt Tasha still would have gone back out of love. Or she might have been caught on the C when the Klingons attacked and forced to go through the rift.
In any case, I think it's a better story if Alt Tasha really didn't make a difference in the C's battle. That way it's crystal clear that Picard fucked up by letting her go back and all the dealings with her daughter are the direct consequences of his alt counterpart's mistake.
That's a matter of debate, and if I debated, I'd be on the side that disagrees with said point; Discovery and Picard's doing the stories that both shows did needed to be done if a new Star Trek show was to be relevant to today. I liked The Orville, but I'm not ever going to say it was better than Discovery or Picard. The only reason fans are saying this is because of the story beats about the Klingons being like certain parts of the American populace, the whole thing about Georgiou and Burnham being major characters being 'white genocide' and 'feminism being shoved into our faces' as well as anger that Picard didn't show the 24th century as being the superperfect thing it was on TNG (as well as Discovery's story point about 30th century humans being so full of themselves that they'd withdraw from the very same Federation they helped found.) These were stories that should've been on TNG and Voyager a long time ago just like they were on Deep Space Nine, but now fans-the same fans who complained about TNG and Voyager not being daring enough-are now blasting them because they're on Discovery and Picard? And also losing it and calling Discovery 'woke' because it put LGBT characters front and center like they should have been on TNG, DS9, and Voyager? Are they (and you) forgetting that Star Trek was always a 'woke' franchise from the first series onward?
Just because The Orville gave people warm fuzzies due to it being like TNG does not mean that it's automatically better than Discovery, Picard, Strange New Worlds, or Prodigy.
Oh yeah, one other thing:
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I can watch The Orville and enjoy it.
I can't enjoy Discovery and Picard because I don't like them.
Discovery was just bad with much doom-and-gloom, bland and uninteresting characters and messing up established Star Trek history, like with the Mutant Ninja Turtle characters who were supposed to be Klingons.
I gave up after 4 episodes, just like I do when I find a series bad.
Picard was just boring, a weak, doom-and-gloom parody of the once so good Star Trek-The Next Generartion.
I watched a few episodes at the start, then it was more and more occasional until I finally gave up.
There's also a big difference between "woke" back in the 60:s and 90:s and what it has become today. Back in those days, "woke" may have been for progressive change, now it starts to look more and more like Communism and opression and I've seen too much of that on the continent on which I'm living.
This shows a flagrant disregard for the series, in that after S2 it undergoes a major premise change and S4 is perhaps the most true to the higher ideals of the franchise series of episodes I've seen in a long time. But by all means, condemn an entire series based on 4 episodes.
Please elaborate on this, since if anything my understanding is that "woke" attitudes advocate for the opposite of oppression.
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