Also: a pretty solid indication that the retooling was sorely needed.
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I do wonder after the dust settles and we've watched all of the released episodes, if we'll ever get to know what was originally planned.
Apropos of nothing: I've been rewatching the 2nd & 3rd season of Jessica Jones over the last few weeks and with the increasing possibility that more Netflix material may show up in future MCU projects I can't help but wonder a few things: -
- Will Hogarth end up working for Fisk? If anyone has access to the kind of exotic tech that could cure or treat her condition, it's him. Seems like a natural arrangement given that he likes to hire excellent but compromised people, is constantly in need of legal representation, and for her partly; she REALLY wants to keep on living. (At this point in the timeline, her 6 year diagnosis would have been up 4 or 5 years ago, so a radical medical intervention seems inevitable if she's still alive.)
- How long do we think it'll be until we see a semi-retcon/flashback showing one or more of the Defenders summoned to the Endgame battle?
- Frank, Foggy & Karen aside; who's more likely to show up next? Jessica, Luke, Colleen Wing or Claire Temple? (No Danny, not you.)
- What are the odds of Jennifer Walters showing up in one of these more (for lack of a better term) mature shows, and can they manage to pull off the shift in tone without compromising her character, as they did so well with Matt?
Not anytime soon I'll bet. Marvel and Disney tend to keep such things very close to the chest.
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Oh yeah because Mariah gave everything to Luke. I found it weird because I thought her daughter didn't want any of it
As much as I would love that to be the case, and even though Marvel does love going back to the Blip's conclusion, I somehow doubt we'll get that based on the grounded nature. On the other hand, I didn't expect Hawkeye to feature a flashback to The Avengers so I guess anything is possible.
Who I want to return first: Colleen and Misty for Daughters of the Dragon.
Who I think will return first: Either Jessica or Luke.
I've wondered the same ever since Matt's appearance on her show. I'm very curious to seen that work.
True, although we did eventually find out about the original plan for Iron Man 3 with Maya as the main villain before Ike Perlmutter forced them to rewrite it. I'm pretty sure that's not the only example (such as the bigger point about Thor in the cave during Age of Ultron).
I think it was already mentioned that she turned down a role in Shang-Chi because she thought it might preclude returning as Colleen, or something like that.
Yup, she was up for either Shang-Chi and The Matrix Resurrections and she chose the latter. Source.
Tatiana Maslany is not holding out much hope for another season of She-Hulk, unfortunately
https://thedirect.com/article/she-hulk-season-2-tatiana-maslany
https://thedirect.com/article/she-hulk-season-2-tatiana-maslany
Yeah, that's not a surprise, unfortunately. I loved every moment of the season but I know I'm in the minority, alas.
I’m in that minority too
The real question is where the hell did that $225,000,000.00 go?
The real question is where the hell did that $225,000,000.00 go?
I think there was a Variety article last fall about how a lot of it came to mismanagement by Fiege.
Whats the point of bringing in the Netflix shows if they stay in their boring "grounded" universe (and its kind of funny calling it grounded when the Netflix shows climax'd in fighting over some unrealistically deep hole to...hell? Or whatever the fuck The Hand were doing with the hole, its been years since I watched Defenders)? If they're in the MCU, they need to be in the MCU. That doesn't mean that they have to show up for all the superhero stuff, especially the ones that aren't really heroes like Jessica Jones and Iron Fist, but they still need to be in the world with more then just brief references. That means that the Blip would have effected them, and one or two of them has probably caught the attention of other heroes or people like Nick Fury over the years.
Of course I doubt any of the Netflix heroes except Daredevil and maybe The Punisher are actually going to show up and do more things in the MCU, so I suppose saying the shows are canon but that the stories are done keeps the other characters off in their own corner by default.
From what I've read online months back it was said that Karen and Foggy were killed off screen by Fisk and that somehow tied into the plot. We wouldn't see Daredevil in a suit until episode 4 and there was a heavy focus on courtroom drama.
Fair points. Like I said, I would love to be wrong.
The Punisher is already confirmed for Born Again. I still think it's pretty likely we'll see Jessica and Luke sooner than later.
Yeah, I've seen that rumor and that's just awful. While I would love to see more courtroom drama, it shouldn't come at the expense of the core cast.
That said, I like the idea of Karen and Foggy being Blipped and how that effects Matt who wasn't Blipped. We already know he needs them to stay level-headed. What does he do during that five-year period...and how do they react to this new Matt when they return. Of course, that suggests a darker Matt, one we don't see at all in She-Hulk, so perhaps that isn't what happens.
I loved She-Hulk. It was exactly what I was hoping for and expecting.
Micheal Dorn said that when he worked on CHIPs there was a cocaine budget - maybe it has come back round?
Robert Downey Jr believes that he did some of the best work of his career in the MCU, but it went unrecognized because of the genre.
https://people.com/robert-downey-jr...on-man-was-unnoticed-because-of-genre-8425137
https://people.com/robert-downey-jr...on-man-was-unnoticed-because-of-genre-8425137
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Hey I'm not claiming it's a good idea, or even one I particularly want to see; I'm mostly curious how far they're going to go with making everyone know how totally canon all that is now.
I tend to agree Jessica is the more likely to be next up, if only because it makes more sense. She's easily the most popular and recognisable of the bunch after Daredevil (Luke being a close third IMO), and given her vocation the easiest to slot into almost any other show for a cameo re-introduction.
'Daughters of the Dragon' would need a little more set-up since the concept itself is a little more involved and to put it bluntly; not a lot of people bothered with Iron Fist. You'd all but have to start from scratch with them.
On the positive side; I think Maslany's performance was well received enough that the character can still pop up elsewhere, either in shows or movies.
Is 'Planet Hulk' still on the slate? I forget.
Generally speaking; budget overruns on these kinds of productions usually stems from pushing the production into overtime. Overtime is expensive; potentially the greatest expenditure on any production. Going over for just a week can mean you've blown a month's budget but may only have a few days worth of work to show for it. Not only does this mean you're also the best part of a week behind, but as a bonus; unless the release date can be moved, you've just massively cut into available post production time too.The real question is where the hell did that $225,000,000.00 go?
Which brings us to bad VFX, which are almost always the result of a rushed schedule with artists not given enough time and/or not properly consulted during the production phase and instead just told to "fix" it all in post. Again; rush means overtime, which means more money for diminishing returns of quality.
Contrary to popular belief you can't simply throw money at every problem
This is where the old triple constraint comes into play; you can have something fast and cheap, but it won't be good. You can have it good and cheap, but it won't be fast. Or you can have something fast and good, but it won't be cheap. A total failure to manage this balance can result in something that's neither good, fast, nor cheap.
I don't know if any of this is what went down with 'She-Hulk', but it wouldn't surprise me with such an effect heavy TV show.
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