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Brainstorm - Starfleet Marines (alittle different)

Space Time Air Ground Sea (STAGS)

Honestly, we might be getting closer here.

Also the Delta Flyer and definitely the Argo-type (which is specifically designed to land a small mobility team).

Delta Flyer* maybe, as it was a pretty specific thing built by Voyager. Definitely Argo. I actually kind of envisioned the Argo has coming from this service.

One or two person cockpit fighters are a last resort Hail Mary in space combat terms IMO, too narrow in scope and too overtly military as manned platforms, though they could conceivably be repurposed drones.

There is something of a "rule of cool" here with Trek. Not everything has to be 100% "real". Do single manned fighters REALLY make sense in Trek? Probably not. Are they cool? Yes. So... we will make it work.

To justify them, they really AREN'T meant for pitched space battles. They're met to engage with other small craft, strike fixed positions, and provide air support.
 
(I don't actually care much for the abbreviations, but I like the names.)

"Starfleet Strategic Engagement Service"?

An "Advanced Tactical" school is mentioned in Trek... maybe "Starfleet Advanced Tactical Force", the school being attached to the service?
 
Delta Flyer* maybe, as it was a pretty specific thing built by Voyager.

Something of a similar size, endurance and relative firepower specifically intended for tactical operations rather than the multi-role, adaptable runabout anyway?

To justify them, they really AREN'T meant for pitched space battles. They're met to engage with other small craft, strike fixed positions, and provide air support.

To be clear, I'm not disputing their utility as short-range anti-piracy platforms within a home system or close to a "tender" or for ground support, just their utility as fleet assets in starship combat.
 
(I don't actually care much for the abbreviations, but I like the names.)

"Starfleet Strategic Engagement Service"?

An "Advanced Tactical" school is mentioned in Trek... maybe "Starfleet Advanced Tactical Force", the school being attached to the service?

Tactical training is generally shown as anti-starship and maybe intelligence operations, not the bulk of operations that your force might be tasked with IMO.
 
Unlikely to be the original name for the organisation, but I could definitely see that as the name for a joint taskforce with the Klingons post-Dominion War.
 
The last part was more of an exagerration. Alot of stuff i've found over the years is... US Marine Corps in Space, and seems to rely heavily on how badass they are and basically unstoppable. I don't really want that.
Ah, I see. I will still point you towards reading Heinlein's Space Cadet for a better idea of such a service (and origins for a lot of Starfleet style inspiration) and possibly a little bit of Starship Troopers in the book, where you see some of the distinction between the Fleet Operations and Ground and Military Operations. That's how I wrote such a Corps when writing two different RPGs.

(I don't actually care much for the abbreviations, but I like the names.)

"Starfleet Strategic Engagement Service"?

An "Advanced Tactical" school is mentioned in Trek... maybe "Starfleet Advanced Tactical Force", the school being attached to the service?
Starfleet Strategic Military Command.

Then the nickname or colloquial "Marines" kind of makes sense, even if not an official title.
 
Tactical training is generally shown as anti-starship and maybe intelligence operations, not the bulk of operations that your force might be tasked with IMO.

Presumably, the Starfleet officers undergoing that training would be getting the most applicable training to their role.

Something of a similar size, endurance and relative firepower specifically intended for tactical operations rather than the multi-role, adaptable runabout anyway?

To be clear, I'm not disputing their utility as short-range anti-piracy platforms within a home system or close to a "tender" or for ground support, just their utility as fleet assets in starship combat.

Got it. Yeah I think they would definitely have an array of smaller craft.

I also think any fighters and such would generally fall under the former in your statement in this service. This service wouldn't be getting involved in fleet space battles. That's Starfleet's job.

possibly a little bit of Starship Troopers in the book, where you see some of the distinction between the Fleet Operations and Ground and Military Operations. That's how I wrote such a Corps when writing two different RPGs.

I've read Starship Troopers.

The main difficulty here is that Starship Troopers is a great example of what I don't want out of this.

Starfleet Strategic Military Command.

Then the nickname or colloquial "Marines" kind of makes sense, even if not an official title.

On the right track, but now say "Military" without saying "Military". Starfleet Strategic [Not Military] Command*

*Although I might want to drop "Command" in favor of something else, if only because it's subordinate to "Starfleet Command" already. Starfleet Strategic [Not Military] Force/Service/Something might work better.
 
A part of me is starting to begrudgingly just accept something like "Starfleet Marine Service/Force" or something. I was trying to bat around the bush of actively calling them Marines but... they're Marines. Sometimes it might be better to call a spade a spade. Dropping "Corps" though.

I had toyed with making this a COMPLETELY separate branch of Starfleet and just do it's own thing, but I do still want that Starfleet flavor in it.

Strategic TActical and Recon (STAR) Corps

Kind of into this too. "Strategic Tactical" sounds clunky. I might replace with "Starfleet Tactical and Recon", and use "Force" or "Service" or something over Corps. I suppose it doesn't need even the end part. Starfleet is just... Starfleet. It could just be "Tactical and Recon". Or maybe just go Resident Evil, "Special Tactics and Recon"... but still that sounds more like a special forces unit, not an entire branch of service.
 
I've read Starship Troopers.

The main difficulty here is that Starship Troopers is a great example of what I don't want out of this.
A ground force operating in tension with a space force? O_o

If you're thinking they're badass massacres then perhaps we read different books.
On the right track, but now say "Military" without saying "Military". Starfleet Strategic [Not Military] Command*
Starfleet Strategic Combat Command.
*Although I might want to drop "Command" in favor of something else, if only because it's subordinate to "Starfleet Command" already. Starfleet Strategic [Not Military] Force/Service/Something might work better.
Not necessarily an issue, given the way current commands are set up under modern armies. There are armies in the US ARMY which are divided by commands.
 
A ground force operating in tension with a space force? O_o

If you're thinking they're badass massacres then perhaps we read different books.

That's not what I meant by that. Forget I said anything about "bad ass massacres".

I don't this to too closely mirror real world, modern day military. I don't want US Marines In Space. I don't US Army In Space. I want... something more uniquely Star Trek that borrows inspiration from militaries and is a bit more militaristic arm of Starfleet, while being under political pressure to not really advertise itself as being overly militaristic.

Starfleet Strategic Combat Command.

Now say "Combat" without saying Combat.

We're going Star Trek PR here.

We don't have Destroyers. We have "Escorts". We don't have "Heavy Cruisers". We have "Explorers".

Combat, Military, Army, etc. are bad words.

"Strategic", "Tactical", etc. are good.

Not necessarily an issue, given the way current commands are set up under modern armies. There are armies in the US ARMY which are divided by commands.

It's not really an issue per say, I just don't think it sounds right.

Corps is good because it doesn't necessarily imply military - Peace Corps, for instance.

Yes... but... it's being used in context of a military force that is kind of trying to not overtly advertise itself as a military force. "Corps" can mean a bunch of things... but in context here, it's military.

I also... just don't like it, so i've going executive veto power on it.
 
I don't this to too closely mirror real world, modern day military. I don't want US Marines In Space. I don't US Army In Space. I want... something more uniquely Star Trek that borrows inspiration from militaries and is a bit more militaristic arm of Starfleet, while being under political pressure to not really advertise itself as being overly militaristic.
Hair splitting but fair enough.

Especially since Kirk calls himself a soldier. But, post Dominion War that might be less popular thing to say.

Look at the Japanese Self-Defense Forces, or the UN Peacekeeping Forces.
Now say "Combat" without saying Combat.

We're going Star Trek PR here.

We don't have Destroyers. We have "Escorts". We don't have "Heavy Cruisers". We have "Explorers".

Combat, Military, Army, etc. are bad words.

"Strategic", "Tactical", etc. are good.
Starfleet Strategic Force Department.

Starfleet Strategic Defense Force.
 
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You would need a ship with ALOT of hanger space. Miranda maybe with a small Op but anything above a platoon need a carier ship like an Akira, or a large ship like an Ambassador or Galaxy. Some troop shuttles, some "air cover" shuttles some ground transport with shuttles large enough to take them dirt side.
Then you may need some "Escort" ships like a Defiant sized ship.
 
Hair splitting but fair enough.

Especially since Kirk calls himself a soldier. But, post Dominion War that might be less popular thing to say.

It is hair splitting, both on my end and in-universe.

It's hard to really describe what i'm going for here. I'm setting it up that Starfleet pushed to have this force, but there was alot of political pushback to it. Eventually they were able to get it, but it's still politically unpopular.

So Starfleet didn't want to come in and name it something super overt military because they were already on thin ice with it. Once we are *IN* the service... we can be a bit more free to name stuff. The moratorium on "Not USMC IN SPACE" is more a stylistic choice... I don't think something that was created by the Federation 200 years in the future would just say "This should definitely be just like the US Marine Corps. circa 2023." It can even be like, largely inspired by the USMC as in-universe here, Earth's MACO's were used as a general template, and i've retconned MACO to stand for "Marine Command". However, I don't want to just use "MACO", because they still exist as part of the Earth Defense Force.

Rather, they used a basic concept of militaries to base a Starfleet subordinate combat-focused force from.

Does that make more sense? I want it be tipped MORE towards "Starfleet" than "USMC".

Starfleet Strategic Defense Force.

This is much closer. I was thinking of something like this.

My issue with the nomenclature here is that I want to pare it down to suggesting this is a "Ground" and "Air" arm of Starfleet. I feel like "Defense Force" suggests that it's a more all encompassing force.

The role of this service is, quite frankly, a Marine Corps. I'm REALLY trying to say "Marine Corps" in a more Star Treky sounding way.


For some more background on the grander scheme, i've established that when the Federation as chartered, the question of the military was a hugely debated issue that resulted in a compromise. Some wanted a united, integrated fighting force directly under Federation command, others wanted to retain their own military and have the Federation more as an alliance. They got alittle of both.

Starfleet became transferred command to the Federation and became an integrated, Federal force of the UFP. As part of the compromise, it's mission parameters officials stayed much the same as it did under United Earth... science and exploration. Under the Federation, a caveat was made to allow Starfleet to partake in "Peacekeeping", anti-piracy, law enforcement, border patrol, etc. Basically somewhere between the UN Peacekeeping Forces and a Coast Guard.

The OTHER organization, completely un-connected to Starfleet, tentatively named "The Federation Defense Council" is quite literally "Space NATO". The bulk of any war fighting on the ground (and originally, theoretically, in space but that changes as time goes on) would be done under the Defense Council, and composed of units coordinated from individual member worlds militaries.

A few years after the creation of the Federation, Starfleet argued that it needed more capability beyond just their starships. They initially attempted to simply expand the Security/Tactical Division within Starfleet, but both the politicians and Starfleet itself weren't super fond of it. So a deal was struck to allow Starfleet to have a limited force specifically trained for combat roles, organized in the vein of Marines from Earth, utilizing largely MACO's to from the initial force.

Starfleet didn't want to push their luck and go too hard on it so they went with some more public relations-friendly nomenclature, as well as just some general organizational changes based on input from various sources. They wanted the new service to be combat trained and specialized and more militarized than Starfleet, but they also wanted to ensure that the two services could seamlessly work together.

(out of universe, it's a stylistic choice. I want it to be military but like, a Star Trek-friendly military.)
 
You would need a ship with ALOT of hanger space. Miranda maybe with a small Op but anything above a platoon need a carier ship like an Akira, or a large ship like an Ambassador or Galaxy. Some troop shuttles, some "air cover" shuttles some ground transport with shuttles large enough to take them dirt side.
Then you may need some "Escort" ships like a Defiant sized ship.

So I haven't gotten super into the weeds with actual operational tactics and all that, but I am generally leaning on them working very closely with Starfleet.

For long haul/mass transport, they're generally going to use Starfleet ships. They may have some larger transport vessels of their own, but escorting duty would fall to Starfleet if they need capital ships involved.

They will have alot of smaller shuttle-type craft to move them around, air cover, the whole nine. It's super important for them... that's going to be their primary role. Something happens, they deploy down to a planet or a starbase or whatever, establish a beach(planet?)head and secure it long enough for the Defense Council to move larger units in, or to reinforce/augment the planetary forces already there.

Really though, alot of Starfleet vessels have a decent amount of dead space in the way of cargo bays and what not. If something like a Galaxy-Class did show up to ferry the troops somewhere, they should be able to handle quite a few.

They would have direct access to some larger vessels that are essentially just transports to move things like vehicles and the like around.

I DON'T think they will have a whole lot in the way of armored units. A small amount, but we're talking probably mostly lighter vehicles. They still utilize more wheeled/tracked vehicles due to reliability... Starfleet loves their anti-grav stuff, but there's alot that can go wrong/interfere with those. More often than not, you're better off with a good 'ol fashioned truck.
 
My issue with the nomenclature here is that I want to pare it down to suggesting this is a "Ground" and "Air" arm of Starfleet. I feel like "Defense Force" suggests that it's a more all encompassing force.

The role of this service is, quite frankly, a Marine Corps. I'm REALLY trying to say "Marine Corps" in a more Star Treky sounding way.
Special Warfare & Defense Operations.

Starfleet didn't want to push their luck and go too hard on it so they went with some more public relations-friendly nomenclature, as well as just some general organizational changes based on input from various sources. They wanted the new service to be combat trained and specialized and more militarized than Starfleet, but they also wanted to ensure that the two services could seamlessly work together.
I would again encourage to read up on Japan's Defense Force post WW2 for some ideas of how this happened in the real world.
 
Special Warfare & Defense Operations.

Defense is good, "Warfare" is probably the worst possible word to use.

I would again encourage to read up on Japan's Defense Force post WW2 for some ideas of how this happened in the real world.

I've dug a bit, but yes I think some more reading could be a good resource here.
 
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