And, at least to my limited knowledge, none of the other productions displayed a clear disdain for the companies along with an unbelieveable amount of hubris. Renegades raised a large amount and had official trek actors which surprisingly didn't trigger any action but obviously no where close to Axanar and with none of the attitude. Peters really did purposefully and repeatedly poke the mugato with a pain stick.
CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar 2 - Electric Boogaloo-Fanboys gone WILD-too many hyphens
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And, at least to my limited knowledge, none of the other productions displayed a clear disdain for the companies along with an unbelieveable amount of hubris. Renegades raised a large amount and had official trek actors which surprisingly didn't trigger any action but obviously no where close to Axanar and with none of the attitude. Peters really did purposefully and repeatedly poke the mugato with a pain stick.
That's because the rules were intended to stop fans using Star Trek to raise over a million dollars to spend on anything but a fan film, not to stop actual fans from making actual fan films.
"Being allowed to skate" is a loaded term that implies two things, 1) that party A is in the wrong and 2) that party B has decided not to act against party A despite knowing that party A is in the wrong. As eloquently expressed by others already, to the best of our knowledge part (1) does not even apply. Further, without inside knowledge, none of us on the outside could even know whether part (2) would apply; to know that we'd have to actually be in the loop, we'd have to work for CBS, we'd have to be privy to any communications that the fan productions might have had with CBS, and so forth. So, I'd have to say that the only answer is, "No, none of us have noticed any such thing."
We (Project Potemkin) were just finishing a production as the guidelines came out and I believe it became the first release post guidelines.
True fan films really run off of donated talent both in front of and behind the scenes. Many times life simply gets in the way of an important talent and if you loose one too many key contributors, you're done.
Potemkin continues because talent attracts talent. I was a hobby fiction writer but with Potemkin I get to work with David Eversole, who wouldn't? It was the honor of my life. If you want to learn or practice any aspect of film creation, Potemkin is the place.
Guidelines.
I don't know of anyone who said I quit because the Guidelines suck and I might get sued because of them. I do know a few people that backed off and went to other projects.
Personally I like to write fiction other than rewrite Star Trek. That time limit rule doesn't work for me. If I wanted to rewrite Trek in 15 minutes or less just pick one. Say Episode 37. The captain just destroys nomad, time to go home mister Spock except The other Tan Ru appears on the bridge and he looks pissed. That's 12 minutes of your story written for you. It's not creating, it's ripping off of some other persons work. 5th grade level.
The Lawsuit:
Peters had the most incompetent legal team in training ever.
CBS was embarrassed over News outlets reporting fan created material as CBS/P created Star Trek.
Peters' Axanar was anything but a copy of Star Trek. At best it was a copy of other fan creations.
Peters time and again boasted he was going to create the type of trek fans want.
Peters fund raised putting the star trek franchise out front. coffee anyone?
CBS tossed all this in a basket making it seem as if their was no defense.
I feel a good defense could have ripped every point apart one at a time.
Was CBS' legal team directed to go after somebody/anybody and Peters just the squeaky wheel at the wrong time?
Did Ananar at any time release anything remotely resembling a Star Trek production in theme or format?
Did Axanar at any time create the type of Trek that fans want?
Were donors mislead. A point that CBS may have No standing in.Sounds more like a class action suit to me.
I'm no fan of what went on, Some say he should have taken the 1st C&D seriously, scrapped Axanar and filmed "The Aries" (actually my one and only suggestion to him)
I believe so. They were originally planning for a 13-episode season, but had to change course and cut a couple to end things as quickly as possible and avoid getting a target on their backs.
I believe projects in progress were exempt from the guidelines. Thankfully I had a little over 7,000 projects in progress. Trust me!
That’s really unfortunate. Loved STC.
They had a good run. I'm glad they wrapped it up and were able to have a complete body of work before it all fell apart. (Grant Imahara's death.. and the Vic Mignogna thing)
I still think Haberkorn's Spock holds up as well as anyone's version of the character, besides Nimoy of course.
Agreed. By the end of the run, Haberkorn was sort of the glue that held the cast together. Casting him as Spock was an inspired choice.
It's been a minute since I last watched STC, and I'm wondering if I'll be able to divorce myself enough from Mignogna being a terrible person to ever be able to watch it again.
I know what you mean. I've been watching Full Metal Alchemist recently (I watched the 03 version but somehow never got around to seeing Brotherhood). Mignogna is outstanding in it (And in the 03)
It's hard to separate the person from the product, but he is a great actor.
There's now a GoFundMe for Paul Jenkins' defence against Alec. He says he's spent almost $700,000 in his lawsuit, and unless it reaches court it'll all have been for nothing. TBBS doesn't allow links to fundraisers but it shouldn't be too hard to find. Hopefully it goes to trial and Peters gets his comeuppance.
But Axanar Productions have made a DMCA strike, so that video is not available at the moment.
No matter, the text says it all - and AP is already widely known for his behavior. So the video will eventually come back.
Apparently it's been taken down, because it shows Peters himself talking in front of a webcam - and he didn't like what was shown.
Search for "gofundme Please Help My Friend Paul Jenkins", as TrekBBS doesn't allow links to crowdfunding campaigns.
I've seen the video, when it was online.
He had a couple of scenes, that showed Alec Peters ranting. Paul wanted to show, what Peters is capable of and what kind of person he is. And I think, THAT's the part, AP claimed copyright for.
Rants can be copyrighted? Good to know.
This whole Axanar series is one of the worst, static bits of dislocated contrived nothingness shows I've ever attempted to watch.
It's theme song should be "Take me to the water"
For now I have reindeer poop to clean off my roof.
Perhaps I'll share some of its low points at a latter date.
Be well all, ciao!
(edit: quote is from the gofundme page.)
This sounds like wishful thinking to me. Is the lawsuit really that broad that he can go after the financials for the original kickstarter? I would think that would require a fishing expedition that the court wouldn’t tolerate — or is the lawsuit broader than I think?
I would love to know the truth, just…. I guess I really don’t want to get my hopes up here.
