For All Mankind Trailer - Apple TV- SPOILER

[FPAlpha]

Another thought on Margo's situation- now that she's known to be alive, what if Arkady (was that his name) went to the western authorities and basically told the story of how Margo was strong-armed into working for the Soviets when he was strangled half to death right in front of her. Might not win them over, but it might soften them up a little to their situation and open the door to some double-agent dealngs that could land her back in the States eventually, albeit in witness protection or something like that, probably. Everyone in the U.S. government probably groks that her 'statement' was written wholly by Soviet propagandists.

I doubt that would fly with the authorities - she did commit treason and defected, reasons don't matter in such cases. The US has been deeply embarrassed politically to have such a high profile person defect and if they ever get their hands on her she will stand a very public trial so the US could get some face back in public opinion. This is not the post WW2 era anymore where the US looked away when they chased ex-Nazi rocket scientists in order to get a strategic advantage, they will crucify her if she ever returns.

Or at least that's what would happen in a realistic scenario ( think Snowden) but this is a TV show so who knows.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

I just finished all of season 1. They did the first season on physical media and it's fucking brilliant

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Another thought on Margo's situation- now that she's known to be alive, what if Arkady (was that his name) went to the western authorities and basically told the story of how Margo was strong-armed into working for the Soviets when he was strangled half to death right in front of her. Might not win them over, but it might soften them up a little to their situation and open the door to some double-agent dealngs that could land her back in the States eventually, albeit in witness protection or something like that, probably. Everyone in the U.S. government probably groks that her 'statement' was written wholly by Soviet propagandists.

It's a nice thought but like FPAlpha said, it probably wouldn't make a lick of difference for the authorities and the like.

And the name you're looking for is Sergei.

 

[Morpheus 02]

FINALLY my wife and I caught up with For All Mankind

This has been a pretty good season….way better than some of the season 2-3 “drama”


Season 4 drama is way better than Season 2-3 (the icky Danny-Karen “relationship”). Some things of the past coming to fruition (good and bad)


I am hoping Dani is able to resolve this… I mean she SHOULD have gotten the Nobel Peace Prize already – first for Apollo-Soyuz, and then with discovering and recovering the North Korean


A few questions/other thoughts:

Now would Dev been able to take over his company and fire people THAT quickly, and in the MIDDLE of a board meeting? Wouldn’t they technically need a formal vote to boot the disagreeable board members? I mean, I will excuse that as needed drama and to expedite what would have happened in “real life”.

I have noticed some diversity with the writers & directors --- which to me is a good thing, and might explain the quality I see this season.

And that is also seen in that the new up-and-comers are non-white 1st & 2nd generation immigrants (thinking of the scene where Kelly & Aleida officially team up with Dev). But on the flip the side… from what I read of the allied nations with the M7…not one is a mid-to-southern African nation (I think Egypt? But that alliance of “communist” countries was it?)


Yeah, Miles is gonna mess things up…but feels like a tragic fall.


This may be a crazy prediction, but I think Ed’s story will end with him being primary caregiver to his grandson, while Kelly is full force in her leadership. Season 5 will have Ed dying in the beginning of the season of old age…. Runner up will be at the end of THIS season, but do so the way Danny did…. Letting his oxygen run out as he sees the alien world he explored (2nd runner up… he is in space, and detaches so he floats through space as his oxygen runs out)


I wonder if the series will end with a group being sent off to colonize the nearest habitable planet, with Aleida and Kelly saying goodbye to the crew leaving


Also had a question – how fast would UNMANNED space probes be at this time? Theoretically, how soon could we get info for a habitable planet / planet for colonization? (and setting up the end of the series)



And from previous seasons….


Regarding why we seem to like Gordo but hate his kids…. Yeah, he was awful at the beginning of 1st season… but 2nd season he was in a situation that MANY of us middle age folk s face … feeling like a failure and not measuring up to past glories. Wanting to make our lives mean something (which he did in the end, not just his sacrifice, but his knowledge of past experience actually being meaningful in truly helping the situation)


Regarding the concern against “wokeness” on the show – it comes across like Christian fundamentalism, and associated movies – feeling preachy, with no spectrum or gray areas…. It’s either “right” (“woke”) or wrong.


Also, the assumption that Pat Robertson would have won the Republican nomination in 1988. Yeah, true, TV evangelism had a pretty strong foothold back then… but Robertson still would have lost. True, no incumbency means an easier time for an outlier to win, but Robertson maybe would have had an influence here and there…but still would have lost.


Speaking of reverends running for office… Zero mention of Jesse Jackson, who in our timeline ran in 1984. With a wide open race, HE could have had a lot bigger influence than Robertson.


And season 3 ending feels like an “easy” cultural transition. Again that “woke” ending where it seems like America magically changed in one election. (Though in real life, for sure, the acceptance and even political dominance in many areas definitely happened in less than a generation)


I don’t think Ellen would have necessarily won the Republican nomination again, but if it was legal for her to do so, she surely could have won as an independent. 1992 in our timeline, people were really open to 3rd parties (and as late as 1999, when Jesse Ventura won the governorship of Minnesota). Now that was due to Perot’s money buying airtime in 1992, but incumbency would have been just as valuable. And Ellen would have been able to grab portions of each party, while those opposed to her would have stayed with their party but not have enough to win (which would have been 34%).


Regarding Kelly’s pregnancy and having protocols for pregnancy/sex…. I mean, for 20 years , it didn’t seem to be a problem (Trace and Gordo dying before we would know if it became an issue; Dani for sure being faithful, and even Ed deciding not to go through with adultery when he had the chance on earth).

Lots of good stuff… will try to see if anything else caught my eye that might not have been discussed…. But looking forward to how this progresses and ends….

 

[FreezeC77]

For the explorations of ways for Margo to address or diminish her defection... I think one huge thing that can't be ignored is conspiracy

The director of NASA was giving top secret information to the Russians and she just BY SHEER COINCIDENCE defects and disappears on the day Johnson Space Center is bombed?

I don't see how she would ever escape some people thinking those two are related.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

I didn't realize Karen was Shantel VanSanten till I checked the credits. The only thing I have seen her in before was FBI Oh ok she's good

 

[publiusr]

The ships
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/for-all-mankind-apple-tv-series.32593/page-8#post-640967

 

[FPAlpha]

Now would Dev been able to take over his company and fire people THAT quickly, and in the MIDDLE of a board meeting? Wouldn’t they technically need a formal vote to boot the disagreeable board members? I mean, I will excuse that as needed drama and to expedite what would have happened in “real life”.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/hostiletakeover.asp

This article explains it well enough in basic terms. What Dev did was called a hostile takeover and in essence it could happen like this though not very realistic and overly dramatic when compared to actual reality. In fact those board members usually would fight back and sue, if only to make their golden parachute bigger by doing exactly what Dev mentioned - threaten to crash the stock value and reputation of the company.

At least they threw in some of the terminology and used it correctly but this isn't a show about business politics, so they kept it short and added some unrealistic drama. No big deal.

 

[Morpheus 02]

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/hostiletakeover.asp

This article explains it well enough in basic terms. What Dev did was called a hostile takeover and in essence it could happen like this though not very realistic and overly dramatic when compared to actual reality. In fact those board members usually would fight back and sue, if only to make their golden parachute bigger by doing exactly what Dev mentioned - threaten to crash the stock value and reputation of the company.

At least they threw in some of the terminology and used it correctly but this isn't a show about business politics, so they kept it short and added some unrealistic drama. No big deal.

Thanks for the details, and the perspective...so i wasn't crazy to think that the takeover as we saw it was overly dramatic (and Dev DID explain the "real life" fight that probably would've happened, but gave reasons why that wouldn't happen on the show). ANd yeah, compared to the Danny-Karen drama, this is definitely something i can excuse (like we do with Darmok in TNG)



--- oh and one other prediction for this season -- Daniel Stern's character will die of something like a heart attack. They just made that way too obvious. It will be sad because he seems like a very good guy. On occasion "off" (i.e. his assessment of how things would go with Russia), but a very capable leader that has truly helped NASA

 

[FPAlpha]

--- oh and one other prediction for this season -- Daniel Stern's character will die of something like a heart attack. They just made that way too obvious. It will be sad because he seems like a very good guy. On occasion "off" (i.e. his assessment of how things would go with Russia), but a very capable leader that has truly helped NASA

Yeah, i like those types of characters, both in fiction as well as in real life. Not as flashy as others but they get the job done and keep the wheels turning. Without people like him all those cutting edge frontline hero people wouldn't be where they are.

 

[Aragorn]

I didn't realize Karen was Shantel VanSanten till I checked the credits. The only thing I have seen her in before was FBI Oh ok she's good

She's now joining the cast of the worst FBI of them all, Most Wanted, the show with the revolving door that doesn't stop.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

She's now joining the cast of the worst FBI of them all, Most Wanted, the show with the revolving door that doesn't stop.

I didn't think much of her in FBI but she really shines in FAM. Also I shoot a model here in my town that looks almost like her, at least with the hair when she had it blonde like in FBI. Oddly Shantel also did modeling at one time.

Also in FBI they made her look, at least to me a bit shorter then she looks in FAM I know movie tricks are used for that kind of thing.

 

[1987SpaceGuy]

What a closing scene!
Let's go!

Spoiler: Ep 7 - Crossing the Line

Ed: WTF are you talking about?!
Dev: Do you want to help me steal an Asteroid?

 

[FreezeC77]

What a closing scene!
Let's go!

Spoiler: Ep 7 - Crossing the Line

Ed: WTF are you talking about?!
Dev: Do you want to help me steal an Asteroid?

Spoiler

I was expecting Dev to show up and use the strike to declare Mars independent and then take the asteroid so him helping to end the strike in Earth's benefit seemed to end that idea... Then we get that ending. Its on.

BTW, with the CIA/KGB reveal I would be shocked if Ilya isn't KGB. It would explain how he gets away with bypassing cargo checks. The position allows him to know all the dirt going on... He also submits back possible roads to blackmail people via that information.

I was a little surprised by Kelly being ok with the asteroid going back to Earth and Mars development being heavily curtailed. She has basically sentenced her son to a life on Mars. He already has diminished heart and lung capacity. Spending more adolescent years there will only further impact his growth and make a return to Earth even worse for him.

So having him spend his life around 50 to 100 people in a research facility or actually growing a colony with thousands are prob the two options.

 

[Kraig]

Spoiler

I was expecting Dev to show up and use the strike to declare Mars independent and then take the asteroid so him helping to end the strike in Earth's benefit seemed to end that idea... Then we get that ending. Its on.

BTW, with the CIA/KGB reveal I would be shocked if Ilya isn't KGB. It would explain how he gets away with bypassing cargo checks. The position allows him to know all the dirt going on... He also submits back possible roads to blackmail people via that information.

I was a little surprised by Kelly being ok with the asteroid going back to Earth and Mars development being heavily curtailed. She has basically sentenced her son to a life on Mars. He already has diminished heart and lung capacity. Spending more adolescent years there will only further impact his growth and make a return to Earth even worse for him.

So having him spend his life around 50 to 100 people in a research facility or actually growing a colony with thousands are prob the two options.

Spoiler: Episode 7, Crossing the Line

If Dev is counting on Ed to steal the asteroid, and take it to Mars, wait until he finds out about Ed's hand tremors. It might add an unforseen complication.

 

[FreezeC77]

Spoiler: Episode 7, Crossing the Line

If Dev is counting on Ed to steal the asteroid, and take it to Mars, wait until he finds out about Ed's hand tremors. It might add an unforseen complication.

Spoiler

Yea. It makes me wonder if his spasms will cause the asteroid to move beyond Mars orbit and into Mars entry and he sacrifices himself to push it on the way down to protect Happy Valley.

At the end of the day the resources end up on Mars to be mined.

 

[1987SpaceGuy]

Spoiler

I was expecting Dev to show up and use the strike to declare Mars independent and then take the asteroid so him helping to end the strike in Earth's benefit seemed to end that idea... Then we get that ending. Its on.

BTW, with the CIA/KGB reveal I would be shocked if Ilya isn't KGB. It would explain how he gets away with bypassing cargo checks. The position allows him to know all the dirt going on... He also submits back possible roads to blackmail people via that information.

I was a little surprised by Kelly being ok with the asteroid going back to Earth and Mars development being heavily curtailed. She has basically sentenced her son to a life on Mars. He already has diminished heart and lung capacity. Spending more adolescent years there will only further impact his growth and make a return to Earth even worse for him.

So having him spend his life around 50 to 100 people in a research facility or actually growing a colony with thousands are prob the two options.

Spoiler: Ep 7 - crossing the line

Had the same thoughts about Dev declaring independence (but that could still come down the line) and was just as surprised with that closing scene. Jaw dropping and literally saying WTF too

Never occured to me until you pointed it out, but it makes a lot of sense indeed if Ilya is an undercover/agent.
Hopefully he/they can payback the forgot his name already former miner who took his bar away and does the Mars rock side business.

Indeed Kelly's rational/thoughts seem weird - unless maybe she's already somehow in the know with Dev's plan

Taking scientific liberties, any chance for the goldielocks asteroid to break up and a part crashing/steered into Mars, but not the base by heroic Ed, while another chuck gets redirected towards the moon/luna (orbit)?

 

[Guy Gardener]

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/hostiletakeover.asp

This article explains it well enough in basic terms. What Dev did was called a hostile takeover and in essence it could happen like this though not very realistic and overly dramatic when compared to actual reality. In fact those board members usually would fight back and sue, if only to make their golden parachute bigger by doing exactly what Dev mentioned - threaten to crash the stock value and reputation of the company.

At least they threw in some of the terminology and used it correctly but this isn't a show about business politics, so they kept it short and added some unrealistic drama. No big deal.

He walked into security an hour earlier, explained that he is the boss, to the head of security he'd hired years earlier, gave that person, possibly a friend, 40,000 dollars, and every underling that helped out 5 thousand dollars, to lubricate the swift changeover in power.

Big men with guns, deactivating security cards and clearance, emptying offices and getting cars towed.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I knew this strike would end in disaster but it was still painful to watch play out. And of course Dev bought out the strikers. But what I didn't see coming, and I really should've, is Dev convincing Ed to help him steal Goldilocks. Because that'll go over well! Especially since there are CIA and KGB and gods who knows else hiding in the shadows ready to flip shit once they launch their plan. Question is...do we know any of these potential agents or they going to be a bunch of nobodies? (Having read the previous posts after writing this, I agree that Ilya is probably KGB)

My heart goes out to Margo. She never wanted any of this and now everyone either hates her or just uses her for their own benefit. She only ever wanted to do the best for the space program for humanity, regardless of nation. It's going to be very difficult to watch her deal with all of the issues going on the remaining episodes when no one will trust her, despite her vast knowledge and expertise.

But I will also spare a few thoughts to Aleida. I fully understand her fury towards Margo and despite working the problem in her hotel room in Moscow, I cannot see a path towards Aleida ever forgiving Margo. Maybe at Death's door after a long life of seeing how far humanity has reached out to the stars and how Margo was an important part of achieving those goals. But not a moment sooner, alas.

On a much lighter note, I loved Dima's conversation with Alex during the latter's checkup. It was very sweet of Dima to share stories of Alexei to Alex and I loved seeing Alex light up during that exchange. If only Ed had the same natural instinct how to interact with Alex. And yet, it's no surprise considering Ed's poor history as a father. That said, I'm encouraged by the acknowledgement that Alex's physiology is better suited for Mars and I really hope the show continues to focus on that path.

Hearing Eli talking about the dangers of declaring martial law on Mars immediately made me think of Babylon 5. I guess Ron Moore is a fan of both space station shows!

 

[Kraig]

On a much lighter note, I loved Dima's conversation with Alex during the latter's checkup. It was very sweet of Dima to share stories of Alexei to Alex and I loved seeing Alex light up during that exchange. If only Ed had the same natural instinct how to interact with Alex. And yet, it's no surprise considering Ed's poor history as a father. That said, I'm encouraged by the acknowledgement that Alex's physiology is better suited for Mars and I really hope the show continues to focus on that path.

And grandfather, not everyone likes pregrated cheese mixed with cellulose powder on our pasta and pesto sauce.