The revenant Maul material was some of the best TCW content.
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I could take or leave Maul in Clone Wars, but he was put to good use in Rebels, so I'm okay with the decision to bring him back.
Yes.
In fact, Ventress would have been a great character to keep around for the current live action shows.
Hard pass from me on that one. Ventress got WAY more interesting once they flipped her from just a glorified henchman to an actual character with depth, pathos, motivations and a life of her own. Having her hyper fixate on revenge and build an underworld empire as a power-base for herself would have been a massive misstep and wasted opportunity.
Maul also got WAY more interesting after they brought him back. Again, he went from a nothing villain character with a cool look like Boba Fett (circa 1980) or Marrock, and turned him into one of the most complex recurring characters of the whole franchise.
For what it's worth though; Lucasfilm has proven that they're not above disregarding the books when it comes to making new material, so there's still some chance to get Ventress back despite what happens in 'Dark Disciple'. For a while there during pre-production, they considered having Ventress be a main character on 'Resistance'. They obviously pivoted elsewhere, but this character is what's left of some of those initial ideas (and yes, apparently this was Dave's idea.)
Personally I hope they don't ignore the book, since it's a good story and a missing part of CW's legacy, and I'd rather they left her story as is. However . . .
Given the last we saw of her was her body being laid to rest in the mystical swaps of Dathomir, and the last we saw of Dathomir on the show it was begin visited by a coven of powerful necromantic space-witches bent on reviving the clan of the nightsisters . . . that does leave open certain "possibilities", if that's the route they want to go.
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Ventress vs. Obi-Wan on Tatooine would not have been remotely as effective or interesting as what we got in "Twin Suns".
Ventress had no reason to obsess over Obi-wan, so the Twin Suns scenario probably doesn't happen at all without Maul.
And what a loss that would have been!
Not really. They lifted the whole idea right out of an anthology comic called Star Wars: Visionaries.
I've had the comic for years. Filoni totally stole the idea for the entire encounter. Here:
Lifted? No. There's a material difference between lifting something and adapting it.
While there are undeniable similarities, there are also substantial differences. Old Wounds and "Twin Suns" tell different stories, full stop.
Stole is quite the charge, with legal implications. That duel is nothing like what we got in "Twin Suns."
You're splitting hairs, but that's okay- I wasn't trying to start an argument about it. The simple truth is that the idea of Maul's survival, and his tracking Kenobi to Tatooine for a final confrontation were around long before TCW and Rebels.
Agreed. That is one of the best duels in the franchise, hands down. The whole dialog, the posturing, the story in the barest of movements is incredible.
That's fair enough. The EU has always been a mine that those writing the TV and movie canon have... mined.
They even reference the title of the story (Old Wounds) in the the dialogue.
Yeah, but Maul surviving wasn't Filoni's idea. As I mentioned above it was George who asked them to bring back Maul.
Beat me to it.
I don't subscribe to the idea that Filloni or anyone on the Clone Wars or Rebels crews "stole" the idea of a Maul/Ben showdown on Tatooine. The very concept suggests itself the moment we have Maul surviving into Kenobi's exile, the comic just got there first.
Now, did they reference and pay homage to that comic? Obviously. From name dropping the title right before that very scene, to the design of Maul's bestial cybernetic legs during his initial come-back on Clone Wars. Ain't nobody pretending like they're having 100% original ideas here.
That said, if you actually read the comic and watch the episode side-by-side there's next to zero points of comparison beyond the very very basic premise of "Maul & Kenobi have a final showdown on Tatooine." Different set-up, different story, different context, different setting, different side-characters, TOTALLY different fight, different subtext. Basically different everything.
Also; Lucasfilm owns *all* of the Star Wars IP. None of the authors, writers, or artists own any of the material they produced for the company, and knew that was the deal going in. So the idea that Lucasfilm could "steal" ideas it already owns is simply an impossibility. This has always been the case and hopefully always will be, as it routinely helps shine a light on older obscure material, give new life to unused concept art, and bring certain story elements to a much wider audience.
Now, did they reference and pay homage to that comic? Obviously. From name dropping the title right before that very scene, to the design of Maul's bestial cybernetic legs during his initial come-back on Clone Wars. Ain't nobody pretending like they're having 100% original ideas here.
That said, if you actually read the comic and watch the episode side-by-side there's next to zero points of comparison beyond the very very basic premise of "Maul & Kenobi have a final showdown on Tatooine." Different set-up, different story, different context, different setting, different side-characters, TOTALLY different fight, different subtext. Basically different everything.
Also; Lucasfilm owns *all* of the Star Wars IP. None of the authors, writers, or artists own any of the material they produced for the company, and knew that was the deal going in. So the idea that Lucasfilm could "steal" ideas it already owns is simply an impossibility. This has always been the case and hopefully always will be, as it routinely helps shine a light on older obscure material, give new life to unused concept art, and bring certain story elements to a much wider audience.
Mace Windu as a name is a nice case in point
Yup. Among many many many others.Mace Windu as a name is a nice case in point
I honestly really enjoy how Star Wars never throws away a good idea, and everything has a chance to come back. Just taking the concept art; by this point I think that between the Prequels, TCW and Rebels, pretty much every one of Joe Johnston's published concept sketches for both the speeder bike and the Imperial shuttle from RotJ has made it into canon in some form or another.
Same goes for a lot of Iain McCaig's work for the prequels; Shaak Ti (and by extension all Togruta including Ahsoka), Tiplar & Tiplee, Cassie Cryar, Ventress, Talzin, and indeed the nightsister aesthetic in general; all of these designs based on his unused "female sith" concept art (I was also going to add Rig Nema, but I think she started life as a Mace Windu design of all things, which brings use nicely full circle.) And all of that is just the tip of the iceberg.
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