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For All Mankind Trailer - Apple TV- SPOILER

Yeah, that bothered me greatly. Even in the realm of menial work, safety comes first and I cannot believe they wouldn't have safety precautions like you outlined. I've loved the meticulous nature of many aspects of this show but this felt like a mistake that existed solely to create drama and that's unfortunate.

Maybe that is a growing issue with the base and the way it is being run, short cuts are taken and people doing stuff they shouldn't be. This could be setting the base up for a potential disaster later on, we know from the trailer there is an explosion at some stage.
 
It confuses me all the time that the Helios lower decker Massey looks like Cosmonaut Zvetlana.
Yeah, took me until sometime in the second episode to relate they were two different people and how to differentiate them (aside from the accent).
 
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Roscosmos is weird. If the Soviet Union didn't collapse, it really shouldn't exist, it should still be called the Soviet Space Program. But that ship sailed a couple seasons ago where it was mentioned as existing in 1987.

Also noticed something, might be an oversight, but in previous seasons the ESA had a fictional logo, like NASA and Roscosmos, (presumedly for legal reasons). But this season, the M-7 emblem has the real ESA logo on it.
 
Did we get an explanation why Canada didn't join the M-7? According to the FAM wiki, Canada was a member of ESA at some point.
 
Did we get an explanation why Canada didn't join the M-7? According to the FAM wiki, Canada was a member of ESA at some point.
The news clip in the special features section just said Canada and China preferred to remain independent in terms of space exploration, I don't think there were any specific details about why they didn't want to be part of the joint administration of the existing base.
 
It's a bit weird. I can totally see China wanting to go it alone, but Canada? Hard to believe Canada would want to go it alone on something like space exploration, other than to not have any sort of space program at all.
 
Man, I love this show, but "here is a flamboyant dipshit; you'll immediately realize his dipshittery is going to have catastrophic consequences; spend all season wondering about their extent and nature" is definitely the least favorite aspect of it for me.
 
Dani is being a little heavy-handed. "As Base commander, I order . . ." is never the best way to motivate people and get things done. Every leader, especially one in her position, governs by the consent of the governed to a certain degree. Authority will only get you so far- just ask the framers of the Magna Carta.

I'm very interested to see how they ring Ed Baldwin out this season. I love his character even with the flaws, or maybe especially with them, and I hope he either goes out heroically or at least partially on his own terms. Either way, we need a little Sinatra when the moment comes.

Concerning Dani she is in a bind - she took over a command that was already crumbling because of systematic issues that started way before she arrived. The reason why she was sent up there was Ed, plain and simple. His cowboy attitude to doing things is simply not flying in the age of high stakes space exploration in a multinational/multi political environment and Dani had to put her foot down in front of him and cut Ed off at his knees. It was inevitable that the situation would drive a wedge between them, if it wasn't the accident it would have been something else because they are both on diametrically opposed sides on how to handle situations.
So Dani made the right call as base commander when it comes to Ed and in general but she is still blind to the wider development going on and she got a direct warning from Samantha how the rest of the base feels and she brushed it off. Everything that happens now is in a sizeable part also her fault because she had the opportunity to turn the ship around when there was still time but i think that ship has sailed now after the accident and the preferrential treatment Svetlana received after she caused the accident ( doesn't matter that the other guy was a collossal dick and asshole).

I don't see this season ending well for Ed - he is not happy at all up there because his style of doing things is not working anymore and he's become a relic. The trajectory of this season is heading for some huge bang and he'll either be the cause or the final solution for it but i'm sure it'll mean he will die, just remains to be seen if it will be heroic or if his character is also the cause of his downfall.

I don't know if the Soviet Union returning to its roots is a storyline i want or need to revisit, it seems too easy as a storytelling device to go back to the well and show the inhumanity and culture of fear that defined the Soviet Union. It's a well trodden path and i hoped FAM would have found a more innovative storyline to follow but here we are.

I loved the scene of Margo getting to do what she does best but honestly her naivety is starting to bug me. After all these years she is still not able to make a projection what her actions will have as a consequence in the environment she lives in? She is still surprised that they disappeared that department lead when it was evident from the first moment he opened his mouth and said the wrong thing. From that moment he was sidelined and his career at best stalled, Margo's findings basically ended his life ( i don't think they'll kill him but his professional life is over).

It's hard to watch a pressure cooker build steam knowing it is defective and will burst soon.
 
So Dani made the right call as base commander when it comes to Ed and in general but she is still blind to the wider development going on and she got a direct warning from Samantha how the rest of the base feels and she brushed it off. Everything that happens now is in a sizeable part also her fault because she had the opportunity to turn the ship around when there was still time but i think that ship has sailed now after the accident and the preferrential treatment Svetlana received after she caused the accident ( doesn't matter that the other guy was a collossal dick and asshole).

There are so many red flags for Dani to pay attention to if she would just pay attention. She picked up on it right after her arrival, but apparently in her book, fixing the satellite solved all the problems. We all know that it didn't. If I was commander of that base, I'd eat a meal every few days with the 'lower decks' folks to see how they are eating and what their food is like. It's also a good opportunity to 'get the pulse' and listen to the bitches and gripes that eventually get voiced. Some of it will be inane stuff, some of it serious stuff that really needs attention. The first thing she ought to have done was take Helios to task for the craptastic rations it's feeding its people. Until it was fixed, they'd have partial access to the cafeteria upstairs. Nothing crushes the morale of a workforce faster than shitty food, especially in an environment where they are 'trapped' like a ship or oil rig. Or Mars.
 
There are so many red flags for Dani to pay attention to if she would just pay attention. She picked up on it right after her arrival, but apparently in her book, fixing the satellite solved all the problems. We all know that it didn't. If I was commander of that base, I'd eat a meal every few days with the 'lower decks' folks to see how they are eating and what their food is like. It's also a good opportunity to 'get the pulse' and listen to the bitches and gripes that eventually get voiced. Some of it will be inane stuff, some of it serious stuff that really needs attention. The first thing she ought to have done was take Helios to task for the craptastic rations it's feeding its people. Until it was fixed, they'd have partial access to the cafeteria upstairs. Nothing crushes the morale of a workforce faster than shitty food, especially in an environment where they are 'trapped' like a ship or oil rig. Or Mars.

Youu know - if i could i'd use this season and Dani as an example of a good business manager but a bad people manager for the managers and supervisors under me ( and "force" them to watch an awesome show :lol:) because i agree with everything you say. It's also a core tenet of good people management to actually pay very good attention to the lower ranks, because they do the actual work and can tell you exactly what needs improving and fixing - if more managers would listen to their workers companies would be in far better shape with a motivated workforce.

It seems so easy to understand yet so many managers fail to do this simple task - even stopping by on the shop floor and talking with the people there and not just because you need to check that of your weekly to do list means tons to this group of people. I've had managers who i've seen only when they started out and made the customary speech and intro buffet and then by chance when we cross each other in the hall, apart from that it's emails and occasional meetings. I call them submarine managers, only surfacing when they want something.
 
Margo continues to be brilliant at work and naive at life / everything else...
Her coffee lady friendship in tatters if it ever comes out and maybe as allued by other so much more.
I count the episodes until it's finally revealed to NASA, Aleida and Co that she's on the "dark" side.

the (indistructable) blue hardshell suit vs the white rippy one...
Was the white one made by Helios and the blue one by NASA?

greedy miner - doesn't deserve to drag the "lower decker" moniker - wins stupid prizes for doing stupid things, goes behind his "business partner"'s back and almost pays the ultimate price, unfortunately gets rescued by the lower decker lady who probably has feelings for him. His marriage is going downhill too I'm sure.

Ed showing feelings in his old age, with the tear at the end. Personal drama (and acutally sad situation for them) aside, he can't finish the asteroid capture mission without her steady hands.

Dani/Ed split was bound to happen one way or another anyway.

"business" NASA president not being able to talk it out... until his wife gives him unintentionally an idea with India.

Decent episode, but honestly I'm just waitng for the pressure cooker to rupture and things going boom/wrong.
 
Man, I love this show, but "here is a flamboyant dipshit; you'll immediately realize his dipshittery is going to have catastrophic consequences; spend all season wondering about their extent and nature" is definitely the least favorite aspect of it for me.

Every season needs a Danny Stevens-type character to fill this role.
 
the (indistructable) blue hardshell suit vs the white rippy one...
Was the white one made by Helios and the blue one by NASA?

The blue suits were what Helios used when they arrived on Mars.
The white suits they are wearing all say "Helios" on them as well.
The white suits are probably a less expensive version of the blue suits, that meet certain minimum mission specificatons.
 
The blue suits were what Helios used when they arrived on Mars.
The white suits they are wearing all say "Helios" on them as well.
The white suits are probably a less expensive version of the blue suits, that meet certain minimum mission specificatons.

Which has both advantages and disadvantages depending on intended use. If you have work areas that are "easy" and there is no heavy duty work to be done you just need a very basic and possibly cheap suit. If you need more resistant suits for difficult tasks you get more expensive ones. The problem is that you need to stock spare parts for both types and train people on 2 models.

This is where the private sector often enough proves to be better than government agencies because the government is often enough not able to be that flexible whereas private companies rely on flexibility to make profit. The other side of the coin is that to increase profits cuts are often enough made on quality, something you can't afford on a different planet.
 
I loved the scene of Margo getting to do what she does best but honestly her naivety is starting to bug me. After all these years she is still not able to make a projection what her actions will have as a consequence in the environment she lives in? She is still surprised that they disappeared that department lead when it was evident from the first moment he opened his mouth and said the wrong thing. From that moment he was sidelined and his career at best stalled, Margo's findings basically ended his life ( i don't think they'll kill him but his professional life is over).

Honestly, at this point in her life what can Margo do? Not doing her job destroys her, doing it destroys other people.

It amazes me how she doesn't have suicidal thoughts.
 
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Honestly, at this point in her life what can Margo do? Not doing her job destroys her, doing it destroys other people.

It amazes me how she doesn't have suicidal thoughts.

Do what everybody does in the Soviet Union - the bare minimum, keep your head down and don't stick out of the masses, which is coincidentally also one of the main reasons why communism fails ( in my opinion). However Margo has been so starved out of her passion of solving engineering problems she forgot or never fully realied that stalinist style communism is always looking for someone to blame for the shortcomings of the system instead of adressing the root cause of these shortcomings.

As i said before i am just waiting until NASA and the CIA find out who the crack engineer is at Roskosmos. I expected it to happen when they talked about the new director of Roskosmos that included CIA style pictures but not yet it seems. I can't imagine what will happen then to Margo.

I want to know what happens when there is a space-crisis and Margo doesn't have any Tootsie Rolls to suck on?

Start KGB operation "Coffee and Tootsie Rolls for the Motherland!"
 
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