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How Do Social Conservative Star Fans Enjoy Star Trek?
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To be fair, the answer to the question "Are jews white" is not exactly straightforward.
Baby Spice was my favorite.
I didn't care that much for them overall but a few songs were catchy as hell and being 23 at the time, well, they were just gorgeous.
I didn't care that much for them overall but a few songs were catchy as hell and being 23 at the time, well, they were just gorgeous.
Yeah, and it's frustrating for me at times. But, as with most art I love the message behind it as much as the actors. "The CHOSEN" is one of my favorite series on the life of Christ, as it is a very human driven story that I find very emotional, relatable and enjoyable.
That's one way of looking at things.
Another way of looking at this is to say that in the past, casting was so restricted. Every character must be white, must look like someone white audience members could imagine themselves being, must not be gay or black or a lesbian or Jewish or Muslim or foreign... otherwise some white people might become offended! The writers back then were so tangled up in that crap that it hampered storytelling and we got all these episodes where most of humanity is missing, where the only non-white characters barely had anything to do, and where women behave nothing like real human beings! It was ridiculous!
True, but the answer to the question, "Did the ancient Hebrews and Egyptians of the Bronze Age resemble 20th Century white people?" probably is pretty straightforward.
One of them was black, yeah. Melanie Brown. (I forget her spice name.)
I was in high school at the time and all my friends talked about was which one was hotter.
Stupid.
Yes, I know, thank you for the sarcasm, and that was Hollywood in the old days. I understand the problem. Hopefully were it done now, it might be cast more realistically - what did Egyptians and Hebrews look like 4000 years ago anyway? Something else interesting to research.
It is interesting. Ancient Egypt, as the center of a longstanding empire, was probably more diverse in terms of what we today call "races" and "ethnicities" than one might expect. It seems unlikely to me that the ancient Hebrews would look much different from modern Semitic peoples of the Middle East and Levant though.
And I'm pretty sure none of them looked like a Northern European white guy with greased-back hair who smokes three packs of cigarettes a day and is drunk off martinis every afternoon.
Lots of genetic marker research being done regarding this, which is shedding light on both migration patterns, as well as possible appearances.
I don't, but it sounds like someone on the Internet had a bad day that day!
No?
I never understood the furor over "So and so can't play X role." It's a dramatic presentation. I have enjoyed a variety of plays with roles play but diverse actors because they are the ones available.
In general, I think that historical figures should be cast looking about like they should. The days of whitewashing are over (mostly... looking at you, Johnny Depp), but that doesn't mean we should go the other way.
Regarding book characters, I think it's a little more flexible... if possible, the writer might give their opinion. For instance, Phillip Pullman gushed over blond-haired Mrs. Coulter, and JK Rowling loved black Hermione, though those characters as written looked different.
Regarding book characters, I think it's a little more flexible... if possible, the writer might give their opinion. For instance, Phillip Pullman gushed over blond-haired Mrs. Coulter, and JK Rowling loved black Hermione, though those characters as written looked different.
The point is that it wasn't over-done in Star Trek, at least not in TOS, TNG, DS9 and VOY
Even better if the don't know who they were.
My mistake. It's corrected now.
But at least sometimes.
I'm seldom wrong. What I stated about current day movies and series is exactly what it is, although I'm aware of the fact that the slightest criticism of political correctness is like kicking a beehive. Someone might be offended!
Which is often followed up with over-exaggerated comments which turns what I wrote into something it wasn't
Be happy that you didn't have to listen to them.
The point is that Star Trek didn't over-do it then. They managed to include such characters and make them interesting and with a purpose, not like it is today when they throw in characters just because the characters happens to be this and that and we have episodes who have to deal with those characters social life, misgivings, problems and who knows what.
We didn't have one single episode whith Uhura complaining odver being ill-treated because of her color or Chekov in sickbay with severe anxiety because "everybody hates me because I'm Russian" or whatever. The only problem with Chekov was that in the series he still behaved as if the Soviet Union still existed (which it actually did when the seris was made but it would have been obvious that such a severe dictatorship couldn't have existed on earth in the 23th century). However, he became better and more realistic in the movies.
My comment on Spice Girls isn't about one Afro-British girl, it's about the whole concept for the group where there just had to beone who looked like this and another who looked like that. The fact that four of them was white and one black is irrellevant. The Jimi Hendrix Experience had one black US guy and two white English guys but they were never constructed to be that way, it just happened that the two guys who should join Hendrix were white Englishmen, it could as well have been two black English guys.
And no one told them what to play, they did their own music.
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Speaking of which, my comment of "Not Always" was specifically about Trek, not about current politics. Trek sometimes portrays problems as being solved, but sometimes they are not, depending on the story.
Not sure what was offensive in my comment but hopefully that clarifies things.
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