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How Do Social Conservative Star Fans Enjoy Star Trek?

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Moriarty was able to what he did only because Geordi told the computer to make a character capable of beating Data, and the only way to do that was to give it the ability to go beyond its program.
Holodecks are magic, dontchaknow.

But Moriarty brings up a question in my mind: is being alive simply an issue of computational power? If you throw enough cycles at any holodeck character, will it become self-aware?

Moriarty's origin suggests the answer is "yes," but surely it can't be that easy.
 
Why would a person want to do a job cleaning floors in a money-less society that has done away with greed if they don't have to?

Simple work in itself can be quite satisfying

Let's add to this list mining, such as miners on Rigel XII (Mudd's Women) or Janus VI (Devil in the Dark). These don't cone across as simple work performed by people not worried about their basic needs.
 
Let's add to this list mining, such as miners on Rigel XII (Mudd's Women) or Janus VI (Devil in the Dark). These don't cone across as simple work performed by people not worried about their basic needs.
I recall all the failed Doctor programs working as slave labor in one Voyager ep.
 
They cannot be compared to that person cleaning the floor anyway. After all, those EMH's were forced, and that floor cleaning man supposedly does it out of his own free will, since he doesn't need to work in order to live.

Though of course we don't know for sure. He might be a serving a sentence. After all, Tom Paris was doing a job for the Federation in a penitentiary colony.
 
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Re: Vic's - black entertainers were indeed popular and respected (do a degree) in the early 60s. As long as they stayed on stage 'where they belonged' (please forgive the parlance of the time). Black patrons were not allowed in most clubs.
 
As ridiculous as your or I find racial segregation, as recently as the early 60's, it was considered perfectly normal. And there was a domestic terrorist organization (the KKK) ready to enforce it.
 
Sisko being upset that a work of fiction whitewashed the oppressions that were inflicted upon his community is completely legitimate. It is in no way comparable to someone blaming a coworker for the abuses that coworker's ancestor inflicted upon others.

Kassidy's choice to enjoy the Vic program as a representation of how history should have been rather than reality is also completely legitimate.

Both points of view are reasonable and fair.
 
Sisko being upset that a work of fiction whitewashed the oppressions that were inflicted upon his community is completely legitimate.
Yes. And it should have taken more than 71 seconds to resolve.
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I always find it odd when any of the shows acknowledge the present racial descriptors, especially since none of the other species seem to use them (e.g., Tuvok is never described as a Black Vulcan, or KIra a white Bajoran).

I know it's kind of a joke to talk about a post-racial society nowadays, but I've always like the notion that 300 years in the future those distinctions may have fallen away along with stuff like religion and capitalism. It's part of the reason I never liked the idea that Chakotay's people are presented as a faction of humanity that's separate and distinct from humanity, since it implies that those distinctions still exist to some extent among Earth.
 
I mean, doesn't the same apply to Picard? Picard is a proud Frenchman, through and through, and that is never regarded as strange. Even Scotty uses his traditional clan tartan and kilt as part of his dress uniform. I don't feel like engaging with one's history makes you "separate and distinct from humanity." It's history; we're apart of our history.
 
Except Scotty's and Picard's people are still part of Earth/human society and would describe themselves as human first. Their communities haven't forcibly segregated themselves from the rest of humanity to "preserve their cultural identity." That always struck me as either speaking to maybe an issue about how United Earth still had issue dealing with First Nations peoples and the history of their grievances, or that Chakotay's people were extremists that saw even coexistence/assimilation within United Earth as a threat to the purity of their culture.
 
I always find it odd when any of the shows acknowledge the present racial descriptors, especially since none of the other species seem to use them (e.g., Tuvok is never described as a Black Vulcan, or KIra a white Bajoran).

I know it's kind of a joke to talk about a post-racial society nowadays, but I've always like the notion that 300 years in the future those distinctions may have fallen away along with stuff like religion and capitalism. It's part of the reason I never liked the idea that Chakotay's people are presented as a faction of humanity that's separate and distinct from humanity, since it implies that those distinctions still exist to some extent among Earth.
But Capitalism ( mainly Feringi, but other species as well) and religion ( Bajoran as an example) are still around in trek,
Now I will say that racial descriptors need to go into the dustbin of history.. We're all human, the end.
There's always going to be "factions" of humanity, and even other species, Northern Romulans, Southern Romulans,

As for Chakotay' its an anology of the native americans, and there place, and not being accepted, so they run away.
That doesn't have to be just them, There may be an Amish planet, or Mormon planet, or a planet that was colonized early on by a ship full of scottish people, so New Aberdeen if full of scottish people, and they follow the old traditions.

Your not going to get a complete "melding" of people, because they are still going to grow up in different regions of planets, deserts, highlands etc.

Even say, thousands of years in the future with the federation, you'll have individual planets and there traditions, culture etc. Yes there federation members, but there still Unique. and will be.. well forever. Even now with 8 Billion humans, we're all unique/different. The Mono Culture as represented in Trek is a complete myth.
 
Except Scotty's and Picard's people are still part of Earth/human society and would describe themselves as human first. Their communities haven't forcibly segregated themselves from the rest of humanity to "preserve their cultural identity." That always struck me as either speaking to maybe an issue about how United Earth still had issue dealing with First Nations peoples and the history of their grievances, or that Chakotay's people were extremists that saw even coexistence/assimilation within United Earth as a threat to the purity of their culture.
I mean, there were other divisions of humanity that branched off so I don't get the difference.
 
I used to find Sisko's reaction to Vic's odd at first, but then I remembered he was the only one in the crew who experienced the racism of that era in "FAR BEYOND THE STARS". (As Oddish pointed out.) Coupled with his established knowledge of his heritage (he collected ancient African art, as we saw in "THE SEARCH, PART I"), his reaction in "BADDA-BING, BADDA-BING" makes sense.

I do like Kasidy's rebuttal, though. That whole scene was really good.

And to Sisko's credit, I have to mention that he actually did show up at Vic's place later on. :techman:
 
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