writers' strike and Trek

[trekfan_1]

How did we start saying it was wrong.

I was finding incongruity between comparing Discovery Season 2 leading to SNW, and Picard Season 3 leading to Legacy.

No where do I find such speculation wrong. Only that the two examples are not congruent.

Again, not what I saying. Bluntly, it's not wrong. I trust this is more clear than the assumption that I was maligning fans for daring to speculate.

The comment I made about discovery season 2 " All that speculation of a Pike series during Season 2 of Discovery was pointless fan generated chatter and "baseless* .......

At this time, there was no solid info it was happening. so it WAS kinda baseless ....but......that is meant to illustrate that that discussion...even if it was pointless at the time was not in vain. And was still worthy

Fan chatter alone does not directly cause something to happen. But it definitely can not hurt and can definitely be part of the decision making process from the higher ups. Especially when its being campaigned by people who worked on Picard.

Its not a far fetched discussion

But my main point - the one that I actually articulated - is that there's nothing wrong (and not pointless) in discussing Legacy as a possibility. And that it is based on something being bandied about in Trek circles.

 

[Nerys Myk]

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[fireproof78]

But my main point - the one that I actually articulated - is that there's nothing wrong (and not pointless) in discussing Legacy t as a possibility. And that it is based on something being bandied about in Trek circles.

On this we agree, since I never said that and clarified as such. The only, only, pointless thing is comparing Season 2 Discovery leading to SNW with Season 3 Picard leading to Legacy only because circumstances have changed.

I do hope that people are emailing Paramount and talking up the shows they want to see in Star Trek. That would be my preferred method of talking this up.

 

[trekfan_1]

On this we agree, since I never said that and clarified as such. The only, only, pointless thing is comparing Season 2 Discovery leading to SNW with Season 3 Picard leading to Legacy only because circumstances have changed.

I do hope that people are emailing Paramount and talking up the shows they want to see in Star Trek. That would be my preferred method of talking this up.

Not exactly. I actually never said Season 2 of discovery *lead" to SNW. . Just that its discussion (in retro spec "wait a sec" was not without merit. Even if was fun fan speculation at the time. Just like Legacy is right now.

Quote:
"But maybe I'm wrong here.(that people that dislike the Legacy concept are the ones seemingly objecting to its discussion ) And yeah, All that speculation of a Pike series during Season 2 of Discovery was pointless fan generated chatter and "baseless":.......oh wait a sec .

wait a sec =the discussion was something that actually ended up happening. so baseless or not, it was worthy speculation)

Thats all I'm saying there.

 

[fireproof78]

Not exactly. I actually never said Season 2 of discovery *lead" to SNW. . Just that its discussion (in retro spec "wait a sec" was not without merit. Even if was fun fan speculation at the time. Just like Legacy is right now.

Quote:
"But maybe I'm wrong here.(that people that dislike the Legacy concept are the ones seemingly objecting to its discussion ) And yeah, All that speculation of a Pike series during Season 2 of Discovery was pointless fan generated chatter and "baseless":.......oh wait a sec .

wait a sec =the discussion was something that actually ended up happening. so baseless or not, it was worthy speculation)

Thats all I'm saying there.

I don't agree entirely but fair enough.

At no point do I think the discussion was baseless. Only that it requires all the facts to make sense.

 

[trekfan_1]

I don't agree entirely but fair enough.

At no point do I think the discussion was baseless. Only that it requires all the facts to make sense.

Well then there's alllot of discussion on these forums that do not make sense. (i.e speculation) . Because I don't think we have all the facts on allot of topics.

 

[fireproof78]

Well then there's alllot of discussion on these forums that do not make sense. (i.e speculation) . Because I don't think we have all the facts on allot of topics.

Of course not, and fans as a rule rarely make sense.

But, there is a new fact to consider in the speculation and that is the costs that will change based upon the new agreement between the guilds and studios.

 

[trekfan_1]

Of course not, and fans as a rule rarely make sense.

But, there is a new fact to consider in the speculation and that is the costs that will change based upon the new agreement between the guilds and studios.

Ofcouse the strike can be a factor.

Who knows. Maybe the strike will cause them to even re-consider previously announced projects like Starfleet Academy (probably unlikely though). I think you can add that qualifier to any project or potential concept,

 

[fireproof78]

Ofcouse the strike can be a factor.

Who knows. Maybe the strike will cause them to even re-consider previously announced projects like Starfleet Academy (probably unlikely though). I think you can add that qualifier to any project or potential concept,

Agreed.

 

[Lord Garth]

Umm speculation is what message boards are all about.

to paraphrase Kirk: "Speculation is our business. Its what this forums is all about"

If all we posted is "news", forums would be pretty boring. And this speculation (Legacy) it is based on something that at least seems plausible.

As long as its not being presented as confirmed news, nothing wrong discussing it as a *possibility.*

It seems those objecting to this being discussed as a possibility are the ones who do rot really seemed too thrilled by the idea or concept.

But maybe I'm wrong here. And yeah, All that speculation of a Pike series during Season 2 of Discovery was pointless fan generated chatter and "baseless":.......oh wait a sec .

Pretty much.

 

[Noname Given]

Ofcouse the strike can be a factor.

Who knows. Maybe the strike will cause them to even re-consider previously announced projects like Starfleet Academy (probably unlikely though). I think you can add that qualifier to any project or potential concept,

Except that right after the WGA strike ended, Kurtzman himself said he was back at work and SFA and especially the Section 31 film were definitely moving forward.

 

[Christopher]

Ofcouse the strike can be a factor.

Who knows. Maybe the strike will cause them to even re-consider previously announced projects like Starfleet Academy (probably unlikely though). I think you can add that qualifier to any project or potential concept,

Except that right after the WGA strike ended, Kurtzman himself said he was back at work and SFA and especially the Section 31 film were definitely moving forward.

Yeah... A long strike-induced delay in production wouldn't provoke studios to create an even longer delay by pausing to rethink projects in the works; on the contrary, it would provoke them to rush whatever they have into production as soon as possible after the strike ends. The only things that might be cancelled are things that are still in the preliminary stages when the strike hits.

 

[urbandk]

A couple episodes ago on Inglorious Treksperts they were predicting everything would be cancelled because of the strikes, that SNW and LDS would wrap up after their next seasons.

I guess they could still be right, but it appears stuff is moving forward. Sometimes I take what they say with a grain of salt, because I don't think they're fans of current Star Trek.

 

[The Wormhole]

I don't think they're fans of current Star Trek.

Let me clear that up for you. They aren't.

 

[James Cole]

A couple episodes ago on Inglorious Treksperts they were predicting everything would be cancelled because of the strikes, that SNW and LDS would wrap up after their next seasons.

I guess they could still be right, but it appears stuff is moving forward. Sometimes I take what they say with a grain of salt, because I don't think they're fans of current Star Trek.

Well, they loved PICARD season 3, and largely have good things to say about LOWER DECKS and especially PRODIGY...

 

[Firebird]

Of the three "Treksperts," Daren Dochterman is probably the most apathetic about the franchise. I get the feeling that he hasn't liked anything from Voyager onward. He often passive-aggressively dumps on seasons 1 and 2 of Picard... which he worked on as a conceptual illustrator.

And in so many of the interviews the hosts of Treksperts have done with Terry Matalas, it's striking how often Altman/Dochterman/Miller praise season 3 of Picard at the expense of everything else in the Kurtzman era. I was genuinely surprised when Miller convinced Altman to give Lower Decks a try, and he ended up liking it.

Honestly, for a podcast that purports to "celebrate the things they love" about Star Trek, they spend an awful lot of time ragging on the things they hate.

 

[Daddy Todd]

Honestly, for a podcast that purports to "celebrate the things they love" about Star Trek, they spend an awful lot of time ragging on the things they hate.

Yeah, then they were so full of OTT praise for Picard Season 3 (which, frankly, I found as lacking as the first two seasons) that I began to suspect they had some sort of financial reason for the fulsome praise. But that's just crazy talk, right? Influencers would NEVER take money in exchange for plugging some crappy product on their podcast...

 

[fireproof78]

Honestly, for a podcast that purports to "celebrate the things they love" about Star Trek, they spend an awful lot of time ragging on the things they hate.

Fandom in a nutshell.

Influencers would NEVER take money in exchange for plugging some crappy product on their podcast...

Nope, never.

I also have a bridge to sell you if you're interested.

 

[James Cole]

Of the three "Treksperts," Daren Dochterman is probably the most apathetic about the franchise. I get the feeling that he hasn't liked anything from Voyager onward. He often passive-aggressively dumps on seasons 1 and 2 of Picard... which he worked on as a conceptual illustrator.

Dochterman likely had a front row seat for massive amounts of money being thrown in a barrel and lit on fire out of... shear fucking hubris. The first season production designer is heavily implied to have felt being on Star Trek was beneath him, whereas for Dave Blass it was a dream in life.

And in so many of the interviews the hosts of Treksperts have done with Terry Matalas, it's striking how often Altman/Dochterman/Miller praise season 3 of Picard at the expense of everything else in the Kurtzman era. I was genuinely surprised when Miller convinced Altman to give Lower Decks a try, and he ended up liking it.

I mean... for many fans, PICARD season 3 was the first time they felt like they were watching new "real Star Trek(TM)" since 2005, so there would be some genuine amazement and happiness.

Honestly, for a podcast that purports to "celebrate the things they love" about Star Trek, they spend an awful lot of time ragging on the things they hate.

Most of the time they treat it as an elephant in the room to avoid.

Yeah, then they were so full of OTT praise for Picard Season 3 (which, frankly, I found as lacking as the first two seasons) that I began to suspect they had some sort of financial reason for the fulsome praise. But that's just crazy talk, right? Influencers would NEVER take money in exchange for plugging some crappy product on their podcast...

If Paramount or Kurtzman were going to open the checkbook and pay people off, wouldn't it make sense to do it with SNW, and not a lame duck PICARD? Well, unless Legacy has always been in the works and they're playing 3D chess with us...

At best, they award some of their favorite YouTubers and fan sites with access and goodie bags.

 

[Firebird]

Dochterman likely had a front row seat for massive amounts of money being thrown in a barrel and lit on fire out of... shear fucking hubris. The first season production designer is heavily implied to have felt being on Star Trek was beneath him, whereas for Dave Blass it was a dream in life.

Notice I said season 1 AND 2, the latter of which was under the auspices of Dave Blass. Dochterman talks like all recent Trek is beneath him, so where’s the difference between him and season 1’s art director?

I mean... for many fans, PICARD season 3 was the first time they felt like they were watching new "real Star Trek(TM)" since 2005, so there would be some genuine amazement and happiness.

Let’s be real, season 3 was an improvement, yes, but seasons 1 and 2 put the bar incredibly low. The “real Star Trek” was littered with so many fannish choices in the back half of the season, I thought I was watching fanfic. Well produced and well acted, but fanfic all the same. For a seasoned entertainment industry professional like Altman to gush over it like he does without any criticisms, it’s borderline embarrassing.

Most of the time they treat it as an elephant in the room to avoid.

Yeah, not really so much. I’ve lost count of the times they’ve taken a run at the new stuff and cap it with their “this is about showing the love” half-assed disclaimer.