For All Mankind Trailer - Apple TV- SPOILER

[David cgc]

Plus, the elephant in the room is whether or not his body could stand it after 9-10 years in .38-g. Earth is 2.5 gees to his physiology, now. He could probably adjust back but it would suck.

Well, Polaris/Phoenix was rotating at 1 g when it was a hotel. It's possible it still is; if I was running a Mars mission and had the fuel capacity to go up and down regularly, I'd set up a rotation system where everyone had to spend a proportion of their time on the station in full gravity. I don't know, one week up, three weeks down, it'd depend on the logistics and how much gravity-time it takes to counter the effects of Mars gravity. And more time on the station for anyone who's soon to be rotating back to Earth.

If there's another rotating station around Earth, that could be an interesting potential solution. Therapeutic elevator suites that gradually move outward from the axis over days, weeks, or months to let people acclimate back to full gravity. Or just multiple levels, and have people switch rooms once they're ready to "graduate" to a heavier environment.

 

[Jedi Marso]

Well, Polaris/Phoenix was rotating at 1 g when it was a hotel. It's possible it still is; if I was running a Mars mission and had the fuel capacity to go up and down regularly, I'd set up a rotation system where everyone had to spend a proportion of their time on the station in full gravity. I don't know, one week up, three weeks down, it'd depend on the logistics and how much gravity-time it takes to counter the effects of Mars gravity. And more time on the station for anyone who's soon to be rotating back to Earth.

If there's another rotating station around Earth, that could be an interesting potential solution. Therapeutic elevator suites that gradually move outward from the axis over days, weeks, or months to let people acclimate back to full gravity. Or just multiple levels, and have people switch rooms once they're ready to "graduate" to a heavier environment.

Yeah, but Polaris was supposed to be their ride back to Earth, and fuel production was so slow they had to do "The Martian" thing with Kelly just to get her up there, and wrecked Popeye in the process. I'm not sure how many opportunities Ed had to relax in full or near-full G over the years.

I always thought that Polaris only having one lander was a terrible bit of idiocy. You take a flying hotel to Mars, you take two landers. Redundancy, and all that. It was one of the very few places where the science ball was dropped, I think.

The Earth acclimation station idea is a good one- I could easily see something like that being built.

 

[FPAlpha]

Yeah, but Polaris was supposed to be their ride back to Earth, and fuel production was so slow they had to do "The Martian" thing with Kelly just to get her up there, and wrecked Popeye in the process. I'm not sure how many opportunities Ed had to relax in full or near-full G over the years.

I always thought that Polaris only having one lander was a terrible bit of idiocy. You take a flying hotel to Mars, you take two landers. Redundancy, and all that. It was one of the very few places where the science ball was dropped, I think.

The Earth acclimation station idea is a good one- I could easily see something like that being built.

Yeah well, they move around in Happy Valley like it's 1g and Mission Control seemed to have instant communication with Happy Valley, so the ball keeps being dropped but i don't mind. There's telling an engaging story and being anal about scientifc accuracy, with entertainment shows i prefer the former.

One thing i can say is that the show looks GORGEOUS - i really missed high quality space shit

 

[Markonian]

I wonder if we'll see what the International Space Station is lime in this timeline.
Also, are Pathfinder-class space shuttles still in use or is the technological turnover quicker?

 

[FreezeC77]

Yeah, but Polaris was supposed to be their ride back to Earth, and fuel production was so slow they had to do "The Martian" thing with Kelly just to get her up there, and wrecked Popeye in the process. I'm not sure how many opportunities Ed had to relax in full or near-full G over the years.

I always thought that Polaris only having one lander was a terrible bit of idiocy. You take a flying hotel to Mars, you take two landers. Redundancy, and all that. It was one of the very few places where the science ball was dropped, I think.

The Earth acclimation station idea is a good one- I could easily see something like that being built.

I think having only one two-way vehicle was probably cut-backs on just getting their 1st and staking the claim to a specific area for mining. I don't believe they were expecting to stay in orbit with Polaris(well Phoenix since Polaris was part of a larger added on vehicle) for that long. It was all about getting their first, showing a private company could do it.

Pretty sure the Russians and NASA likely also rushed aspects of their missions. Obviously to catastrophic failure with the Russians.

 

[Sci]

I wonder if we'll see what the International Space Station is lime in this timeline

I doubt there is an ISS. They're already so far beyond the ISS technologically. Plus, both the U.S. and USSR had multiple dedicated large-scale space stations in permanent low-Earth orbit in the early 1980s. What would the point of an ISS even be for them?

If there is any analogous station, it is probably either in orbit of the Moon or of Mars.

 

[Markonian]

I doubt there is an ISS. They're already so far beyond the ISS technologically. Plus, both the U.S. and USSR had multiple dedicated large-scale space stations in permanent low-Earth orbit in the early 1980s. What would the point of an ISS even be for them?

That's what I thought but the season premiere's news reel mentioned the ISS.

 

[FreezeC77]

There may be an ISS built by the M7 and obviously bigger and more sophisticated than the ISS we have.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I doubt there is an ISS. They're already so far beyond the ISS technologically. Plus, both the U.S. and USSR had multiple dedicated large-scale space stations in permanent low-Earth orbit in the early 1980s. What would the point of an ISS even be for them?

If there is any analogous station, it is probably either in orbit of the Moon or of Mars.

Or maybe even Europa or Titan, which are clearly the next goalposts.

 

[Jedi Marso]

Just rewatched the historical montage and noted that Ed is included in the picture of the Mars astronauts returning to Earth.

I was under the impression that he just stayed up there, but if this is correct then it appears he's been back to Earth at least once since his initial trip to Mars.

 

[Jedi Marso]

I wonder if we'll see what the International Space Station is lime in this timeline.
Also, are Pathfinder-class space shuttles still in use or is the technological turnover quicker?

I think they are retired already. Especially now that they have spaceplanes like their new Concorde-thingo that can fly directly to LEO.

 

[Airmandan]

This definitely looks like it’s going to be an interesting season. I am curious how the Margo in Moscow storyline is gonna work out. I doubt the CIA would be interested in her, unless she’s some means of getting intel on the Soviet space program, which seems like she’s not even a part of. Maybe some Russian dissident group? I guess we shall see. I’m betting Danny found the gun the NK left out there and used it on himself, but this show likes to surprise us so once again we shall see.

 

[David cgc]

I wonder if we'll see what the International Space Station is lime in this timeline.
Also, are Pathfinder-class space shuttles still in use or is the technological turnover quicker?

There was an odd mention in the season 2-to-3 material that the Pathfinder shuttles were grounded after a problem with the life support system killed a crew. I figured that was so they could still use sets or stock footage of normal space shuttles, but they never did anything with either (aside from a couple shots of the mission board spreadsheet where Pathfinders and first-generation shuttles were both performing missions). I wouldn't be surprised if they were still around, even if they weren't necessarily state of the art. They're expensive, and if they still work, no sense in replacing them. They were still using LSAMs from the early '70s, what, ten, fifteen years later in season two?

That's what I thought but the season premiere's news reel mentioned the ISS.

The narrator called it the "International Spaceport." The newspaper on screen is German, but it calls it a "Raumfahrtezentrum" (which my phone's insta-translator reads as "Space Center"), and the German name for the real ISS is "Raumstation." So there is some kind of multinational orbital facility, but it's probably only roughly analogous to the ISS as we know. It's probably mostly fuel tanks for topping off trans-lunar ships and a big wheel (maybe with those variable gravity levels we were speculating about earlier for acclimation to higher gravities).

Just rewatched the historical montage and noted that Ed is included in the picture of the Mars astronauts returning to Earth.

I was under the impression that he just stayed up there, but if this is correct then it appears he's been back to Earth at least once since his initial trip to Mars.

Not necessarily. The photo was taken in the airlock of the NASA Mars Habitat. It's possible that the ship they came back on (Sojourner II, I guess) had a similar compartment, but that seems unlikely, the NASA Habs were all sent up in advance, separately from Sojourner I. It seems more likely that the photo was taken on Mars (though you'd expect one of the survivors electing to stay behind would be worth mentioning in the headline or opening paragraphs of the story, but maybe not, people would've known Ed didn't leave Mars for months, it it might've been talked about deeper in the article than the bits we saw).

 

[FreezeC77]

Bringing up the Gore thing and I forgot to bring up the JFK Jr thing. If he doesn't die in this universe and it seems like he's probably running for a 2000 Senate seat since it was a 1999 article. Massachusetts had a 2000 Senate seat (Ted Kennedy) which in this universe Ted Kennedy became President instead of Nixon so someone else would have been a Senator in Massachusetts. New York also had an open Senate seat which Hillary Clinton then ran for which in this universe probably doesn't happen since Bill Clinton never became President.

Makes me wonder if the show is going to have a JFK Jr Presidency.

 

[Jedi Marso]

Bringing up the Gore thing and I forgot to bring up the JFK Jr thing. If he doesn't die in this universe and it seems like he's probably running for a 2000 Senate seat since it was a 1999 article. Massachusetts had a 2000 Senate seat (Ted Kennedy) which in this universe Ted Kennedy became President instead of Nixon so someone else would have been a Senator in Massachusetts. New York also had an open Senate seat which Hillary Clinton then ran for which in this universe probably doesn't happen since Bill Clinton never became President.

Makes me wonder if the show is going to have a JFK Jr Presidency.

Interesting. I wondered why JFK Jr. came up at all- I actually forgot about his death in the plane crash! (Probably because I've gotten used to hearing about RFK Jr. in the news lately.)

 

[Jedi Marso]

https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/n...ollo-astronaut-frank-borman/?linkId=247304040

On a sad note, we just lost Frank Borman, who led Apollo-8 to the moon IRL.

 

[Commander Troi]

Nice premiere! Good to see what nearly everyone is up to.

If Danny is dead, I say he found the gun and offed himself. If he's still alive, then I don't know what would've happened to him. He's not in the photo of the "Mars survivors."

Personally, I think he killed himself on hearing of Karen's death.

 

[1001001]

Personally, I think he killed himself on hearing of Karen's death.

Me too.

Poor Margo looks like she’s aged 30 years.

 

[Commander Troi]

Poor Margo looks like she’s aged 30 years.

Yeah, she looks in bad shape.

 

[Jedi Marso]

Yeah, she looks in bad shape.

Looks like she has a limp and some kind of wrap on her hand. I guess she didn't totally make it out before the terrorist attack leveled JSC.