It was connected to the MCU up until Infinity War.
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It was connected to the MCU up until Infinity War.
Even Stephen King's taken notice of how strange the reaction to the movie has been (again, almost exclusively from those who haven't seen it because it's tough to find people who despise this movie as much as they appear to after actually having watched it)
"I don’t go to MCU movies, don’t care for them, but I find this barely masked gloating over the low box office for THE MARVELS very unpleasant. Why gloat over failure?"
"I don’t go to MCU movies, don’t care for them, but I find this barely masked gloating over the low box office for THE MARVELS very unpleasant. Why gloat over failure?"
Right, they ignored the snap, but was there any impact/connections after the Helicarrier in Ultron?
Civil War and the death of Peggy Carter were acknowledged. all of their powered agents were bound to the Sekovia Accord.
The events of the first Ant-Man were acknowledged (the disaster at Pym Tech was mentioned when Fitz was trying to locate Jemma after she was swallowed up by the obelisk).
There was at least one nod to Doctor Strange during the Ghost Rider season.
Thanos attacking Earth was even mentioned in a late season 5 episode.
Even all the way into very late season 7, the Agents time travel method was shown to involve the quantum realm (which would mean Fitz discovered the process before Stark). Legend has it that there was allegedly a line of dialogue cut from the final product that they missed the snap because they were time traveling through the quantum realm at the time.
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Got it. am I correct that Ultron was the last time something that happened on the show affected the movies?
Well, no. While it wasn't explicitly spelled out in the movies dialogue, in Captain Marvel (which brings us somewhat back on topic) Carol was brought to Hala near death and was restored to perfect health after an infusion of Kree blood. The regenerative effects of Kree blood on humans was an invention of Agents of SHIELD and did not originate from the comics.
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Oh neat! I didn't know that. I indeed thought that was a comics thing.
Liked a couple comics homages. The body switching which brings to mind Rick Jones and Mar-Vell switching places (its self an homage to Billy Batson/Captain Marvel) The hitting of the Quantum Bands together which was how Rick and Mar-vell switched places. (called nega-bands in the comics) Quantum bands are the source of Quasar's powers in the comics.
One thing I was anticipating but didn't happen was the possible introduction of a Kree-Skrull hybrid, Teddy Altman aka Hulkling.
One thing I was anticipating but didn't happen was the possible introduction of a Kree-Skrull hybrid, Teddy Altman aka Hulkling.
I've been waiting for someone to mention Quasar in relation to the Quantum Bands. I meant to bring it up in my review but forgot, although I also don't know much about Quasar and his origins beyond the 90s trading cards.
He's a character with a rather convoluted origin. Not Donna Troy level, but a bit of a winding road. But it does begin in the 1950s with a character named Marvel Boy.
I have always thought that it was a missed opportunity to not have the reason why Annette Bening's Mar-vell was sympathetic to the skrull cause was because she had a half skrull child herself. That way, Mar-vell could still be Hulklings parent, but instead mother rather than father.
A tiny loud minority isn't why this film is bombing. Barbie, a female led movie based off an old toy line, did $1.4 billion dollars and that movie was absolutely trashed by the far right. Marvel's track record since Endgame has been very inconsistent and judging box office returns for the past few years, the super hero genre itself isn't as popular as it use to be. Audience score on rotten tomatoes seems to be pretty good, so clearly the majority of people that ARE seeing it like it. There just isn't enough of them, which clearly shows declining interest in the genre.
I don't know if it's necessarily declining interest in the genre, but declining interest in the brand? Sure, I can buy that. The MCU is in the same position that Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter were: The shit everyone cared about is over. After you've cast the One Ring into Mount Doom and had your 10-minute slow-mo Hobbit pillow fight, it's hard to say, "Wait, there's more," and get people excited about it. Especially if "more" means watching Eddie Redmayne chase griffins and once in a while someone says "Dumbledore."
Marvel spent 10 years building up to Thanos, and then the Avengers beat him. Iron Man is dead. Captain America is old. Black Widow is dead. Thor is in space. The Hulk is ... somewhere else. Nobody ever cared about Hawkeye. The Guardians of the Galaxy broke up. Spider-Man went off the grid. For a general audience that doesn't geek out about Moon Knight or Ant-Man, it sure looked like the story was over.
Maybe by pivoting to the X-Men they can get some of that 2012 mojo back, but we've already seen the X-Men ... twice. For that matter, we've already seen the Fantastic Four twice. Marvel needs to give people a chance to miss them.
And I feel this also ties into just how bad the advertising was. They had a decent first trailer with the whole "Intergalactic" thing, but with the strikes going on, all they had to rely on were commercials that were on the level of that ... Disney space movie that came out a year ago. Not Lightyear, but the other one. The one where the guy hates his dad or something.
So their big advertising push was, "Go see Marvels. It's a Marvel movie. You like those, right? What's it about? Who cares? It's Marvel!"
Once it was apparent that wasn't working, they tried to make a big deal with the last-minute final trailer, which was, "Remember Iron Man and Captain America? Remember Thanos and Endgame? Well, maybe this movie has something to do with those things. Who's to say? Marvel, am I right?"
There was just no identity to the movie outside of that first trailer. It was just Marvel content being sold as Marvel content.
I'm half-expecting them to start showing the mid-credits scene in the commercials, like when The Incredible Hulk wasn't doing great in the box office and they straight-up told us that Tony Stark shows up. Which was still less sad than the Ang Lee Hulk movie, which had commercials based upon how bad the reviews and word of mouth were and how you should just go check out the movie yourself to see how you personally feel about it.
Because that is the only success some people experience in life.
Except they wouldn't have been-- Infinity War is taking place during the final fight at the end of the fifth season, and there is a Coda on that episode that takes place after what would have been the Snap.
Guardians 3 did great.
Deadpool 3 will also do fantastic. Perhaps even crossing a Billion. It's got all the right elements to get there.
It's all about what projects that they choose to put out. Beyond the hardcore group that consumes all product, who was The Marvels supposed to appeal to? Nerdy cat ladies? Activists?
The film doesn't have 4-Quadrant appeal, not even close. It's low cinemascore, tied with Eternals, is very telling.
If studios do a film for a niche demographic like that (and it's fine if they do), it just can't be on a 270Million budget.
Speaking of Infinity War, I gotta say it.
That was the peak of the MCU.
Every character in that film was beloved by audiences and a fan favorite. Everyone got their moment. It was perfectly balanced. And the ending was quite an experience. Thanos, the villain, stole the show.
And even audiences worldwide cheered for Thor in it.. "Bring Me Thanos!"
I don't think the genre will ever get that good for a long while with mainstream audiences. It was the closest this generation got to a 70s Star Wars experience.
Deadpool 3 will also do fantastic. Perhaps even crossing a Billion. It's got all the right elements to get there.
It's all about what projects that they choose to put out. Beyond the hardcore group that consumes all product, who was The Marvels supposed to appeal to? Nerdy cat ladies? Activists?
The film doesn't have 4-Quadrant appeal, not even close. It's low cinemascore, tied with Eternals, is very telling.
If studios do a film for a niche demographic like that (and it's fine if they do), it just can't be on a 270Million budget.
Speaking of Infinity War, I gotta say it.
That was the peak of the MCU.
Every character in that film was beloved by audiences and a fan favorite. Everyone got their moment. It was perfectly balanced. And the ending was quite an experience. Thanos, the villain, stole the show.
And even audiences worldwide cheered for Thor in it.. "Bring Me Thanos!"
I don't think the genre will ever get that good for a long while with mainstream audiences. It was the closest this generation got to a 70s Star Wars experience.
I was surprised the didn't even to an Easter Egg referal to:
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Nega-Bands
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Which is what they were in the late 70s when Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell) was a male, and Mantis (and Thanos) were from Saturn's moon - Titan...not some planet named Titan.
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Nega-Bands
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Which is what they were in the late 70s when Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell) was a male, and Mantis (and Thanos) were from Saturn's moon - Titan...not some planet named Titan.
Mantis was from Vietnam. You might be thinking of Moondragon who was raised on Titan.(And is Drax's daughter)I was surprised the didn't even to an Easter Egg referal to:
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Nega-Bands
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Which is what they were in the late 70s when Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell) was a male, and Mantis (and Thanos) were from Saturn's moon - Titan...not some planet named Titan.
Ack! You're correct, I got the two confused. Moondragon was the character from Titan (Saturn's Moon)
Carol's original origin in the comic had Mar-Vel fall on her and press flesh.
Maybe they said there was a cosmic sharing of alien radiation.
Maybe he was trying to shield from an exploding dohicky, and dohicky radiation filtered through Kree-blood powered her up.
Maybe Marv did not bleed on Carol, but he did sweat on Carol.
So, y'know alien fluids.
I was reading a few days ago, that Carol only just found out that her mum was Kree, so she probably had powers all along and just never noticed how to use them, until Captain Mar-Vel violated her virtue by getting right up in all of that, but respectfully.
Ack! You're correct, I got the two confused. Moondragon was the character from Titan (Saturn's Moon)
Heather Douglas, Moon Dragon, daughter of Drax the Destroyer, was an Earth lesbian who studied on Titan as Mentor's ward, to maybe become the the Celestial Madonna by rooting a vege Zombie of the Swordsman from Hawkeye last year.
Oh my...
Does that make Moon Dragon Thanos' sister?
ETERNALS ARE ROBOTS "Cough".
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There was a bald girl working on the station in The Marvels...
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