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I found the musical planet section to be a bit odd, not because it was a musical planet but because it seemed so choppy and brief and Park Seo-joon had been advertised as having a major role rather than a three minute cameo.
A bit of reading online turned up the information that there were originally multiple musical numbers shot, with all three main characters getting a song.
So their removal would seem to solve the "mystery" of the "too short" running time that seemed to bother people. I hope they're on the Blu-Ray rather than being locked away forever like all the missing "Love & Thunder" scenes.
A bit of reading online turned up the information that there were originally multiple musical numbers shot, with all three main characters getting a song.
So their removal would seem to solve the "mystery" of the "too short" running time that seemed to bother people. I hope they're on the Blu-Ray rather than being locked away forever like all the missing "Love & Thunder" scenes.
I saw it today, I enjoyed it. Definitely not the worst MCU movie despite the box office, probably not even bottom ten. The three leads had great chemistry and that really carried it. Iman Vellani in particular is great and could carry one of these movies on her own (which will probably never happen now!) It's incredibly fast paced to be sure, and the action is a lot of fun. I will say though that the first big action setpiece where they were all swapping places was the strongest one and the later scenes maybe didn't play up the switching enough. The final fight with the villain was way too short and should have been a bit more elaborate. But the general tone it goes for is "frantic fun" and it pulls it off. The singing planet and the cat sequence were great goofy fun. Kamala's family were amusing.
The downside of the fast pace is that a lot of the character moments don't get room to breathe. They could have certainly gotten more out of the conflict between Carol and Monica and drawn out Carol accepting Kamala as a part of the team a bit longer. The villain gets a pretty decent motivation with Carold starting a war on her homeworld and they could have done more with that too. And while I didn't have a problem following the plot I can see how someone not as up to speed as me could have a hard time with all the jumping around between locations, especially at the start. The movie doesn't really do anything to introduce Kamala and Monica beyond some quick lines about how they got their powers; I think they should have shown a bit of Kamala being a hero in Jersey City at least.
And, while I enjoyed the movie, it's really nothing we haven't seen before and I can understand why after 33(!) movies people might be thinking "I'll just wait for Disney+ if nothing huge happens."
CGI was mostly good, defnitely didn't notice anything glaringly bad like in Quantumania...up until the mid credits scene. The CGI Beast looked TERRIBLE. This had to have been done at the last minute, but I'm not sure how that would have worked during the strikes?
The downside of the fast pace is that a lot of the character moments don't get room to breathe. They could have certainly gotten more out of the conflict between Carol and Monica and drawn out Carol accepting Kamala as a part of the team a bit longer. The villain gets a pretty decent motivation with Carold starting a war on her homeworld and they could have done more with that too. And while I didn't have a problem following the plot I can see how someone not as up to speed as me could have a hard time with all the jumping around between locations, especially at the start. The movie doesn't really do anything to introduce Kamala and Monica beyond some quick lines about how they got their powers; I think they should have shown a bit of Kamala being a hero in Jersey City at least.
And, while I enjoyed the movie, it's really nothing we haven't seen before and I can understand why after 33(!) movies people might be thinking "I'll just wait for Disney+ if nothing huge happens."
CGI was mostly good, defnitely didn't notice anything glaringly bad like in Quantumania...up until the mid credits scene. The CGI Beast looked TERRIBLE. This had to have been done at the last minute, but I'm not sure how that would have worked during the strikes?
Out of curiousity, where? I don't even remember him being mentioned until after the movie was released and only then in passing discussion of its woes.
Wife and I saw it this morning. Pretty good, lots of fun. 
A tiny loud minority isn't why this film is bombing. Barbie, a female led movie based off an old toy line, did $1.4 billion dollars and that movie was absolutely trashed by the far right. Marvel's track record since Endgame has been very inconsistent and judging box office returns for the past few years, the super hero genre itself isn't as popular as it use to be. Audience score on rotten tomatoes seems to be pretty good, so clearly the majority of people that ARE seeing it like it. There just isn't enough of them, which clearly shows declining interest in the genre.
I thought the first Captain Marvel movie was decent, but not so good that I can't wait to catch the sequal on Disney Plus whenever I decide to renew my subscription. I have been watching the reviews and Cody Leach has a pretty good take on the MCU and reviewing movies like this as a whole. And for the record, he thought it was a decent movie that he would like to show his daughters.
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That sums up what i thought too. The "Bollywood" sequence (which actually featured a KPOP star -- who my oldest was sooo excited to see) as well as the regurgitating alien cats was the comic book-y parts especially for me, reminding me of GotG or Hulk flopping around Asgardians
Which, for this movie, pretty much works
@TREK_GOD_1 there are times when we agree -- you recall my writings on Black Lightning (which i liked and thought of as a "A" rating series), and we agree on times when "progressive" whites aren't what they claim at times when it comes to treatment of African Americans. But on this post, i gotta call you on it.
Look, @TREK_GOD_1 , you are the one who said
I added the bold for emphasis.
He just said it felt like it, which i understood as a perception that even JD SAYS is "not literally", which "anyone--with an objective mind-" should be able to interpret as metaphorical, and not be bothered by it.
And if you bothered to truly read his post, JD said, then you should follow the advice of the user that said
This thread is not your personal rant column about JD. Drop this crap, Trek_God. Its a tiresome, immature routine.
A tiny loud minority isn't why this film is bombing. Barbie, a female led movie based off an old toy line, did $1.4 billion dollars and that movie was absolutely trashed by the far right. Marvel's track record since Endgame has been very inconsistent and judging box office returns for the past few years, the super hero genre itself isn't as popular as it use to be. Audience score on rotten tomatoes seems to be pretty good, so clearly the majority of people that ARE seeing it like it. There just isn't enough of them, which clearly shows declining interest in the genre.
I agree that it isn't the misogynists that are the major problem in this case (though they might be amplified by alarmists).
The problem is actually multifold -- an Actors strike which prevented especially the energetic Imani from being able to promote the film (which the same strike has allowed an exception from the Hunger Games Prequel, which will open the very next week, but now has the PR momentum and airspace taken away from the Marvels), re-scheduling for the movie, which then prevented the director from effectively doing as much PR (or at least set up up good momentum); a bad PR in not advertising when the ticket presales started
=== our family enjoyed it. It was fun, and was especially a good sequel for the TV show. We really loved how they tied in the relationships succinctly (i.e. Auntie's not returning home for Monica, but also showed she was there for Maria's death; Kamala having the opportunity to see her hero worship in a more realistic light).
One question -- Kamala was shooting off a whole bunch of Marvel hero names...but did she ever bring up Photon? Or even something that was settled on?
However, whoever suggested going to IMAX.... that was not worth the extra bucks... we also saw it on Friday afternoon, and the theater had barely any viewers
I just got back, frankly I enjoyed this. I do get the complaints about how it relies on people seeing other things like the D+ shows to understand what's going on. But I find the hypocrisy amusing. First we get these complaints about how the TV shows don't link to the movies more and now when they do link the complaints are "Well what if I didn't watch those shows?"
Honestly, what do you want?!
The villain wasn't as 1-D as complained about, she was fighting to save her world from destruction and didn't know how to do that in a peaceful way because she was from a military civilization that barely understood things like diplomacy and peaceful negotiations. We didn't get a lot of focus on her because the story wasn't about her, it was about the Marvels.
Really, I've seen goofier stuff in Guardians.
Honestly, what do you want?!
The villain wasn't as 1-D as complained about, she was fighting to save her world from destruction and didn't know how to do that in a peaceful way because she was from a military civilization that barely understood things like diplomacy and peaceful negotiations. We didn't get a lot of focus on her because the story wasn't about her, it was about the Marvels.
Really, I've seen goofier stuff in Guardians.
I don't even know who that is.
I remember some mild speculation about who he would be playing when his casting was announced months ago. And then nothing. Ultimately not a big deal by any metric.
I really enjoyed the movie, it was a fun entertaining time.
According to a Variety article posted on 11/12:
‘The Marvels’ Flops at International Box Office With $63 Million, Dramatically Behind 2019’s ‘Captain Marvel’
If Dergarabedian's opinion is correct, it appears the very model of a cinematic universe ultimately is doing it in. Of course, there are other factors common to any film's failure, such as lack of appeal where the plot or characters are concerned, but the idea that one must be immersed in a massive film/TV universe in order to understand (or ultimately enjoy) it cannot be rejected outright.
‘The Marvels’ Flops at International Box Office With $63 Million, Dramatically Behind 2019’s ‘Captain Marvel’
If Dergarabedian's opinion is correct, it appears the very model of a cinematic universe ultimately is doing it in. Of course, there are other factors common to any film's failure, such as lack of appeal where the plot or characters are concerned, but the idea that one must be immersed in a massive film/TV universe in order to understand (or ultimately enjoy) it cannot be rejected outright.
Not really, you'll need to see it to understand who Kamala is as a character though. One of the complaints is that the movie doesn't really recap this or WandaVision where Monica got her powers.
Settle down, Beavis. This is not your forum to moderate.
It's a delicate balance. Agents of Shield had the right idea initially. The show is about non-movie characters who react to the events of the movies on their show, with the occasional fun cameo. Eventually AOS went off on it's own after Ultron. But you can't have major plot developments for Movie characters happen on the shows. How are they going to cover Sam becoming Captain America and getting his costume in Cap4?
@Nerys Myk , Park Seo-joon is a very popular K-Drama (Korean Drama) actor. He was great in a show that is now airing on Netflix called Iteawon Class. He then appeared as a very different type of character (some kind of god who comes to earth). I forget the name of it, but my oldest daughter is a big K-Drama fan. we enjoyed Iteawon Class, but she watch the the other one.
When he was announced, fans like my daughter were excited... but as has been pointed out, this was basically a cameo, and he didn't really play a significant role, so i think the excitement dimmed... yet another factor when multiplied may have added to the lack of enthusiasm for the Marvels, which, by the way, was still the #1 movie at the box office by a landslide.
i think more than 1 musical song in the movie would have hurt it. a lot. It could have worked for a TV episode, like in Ms Marvel. But not more than a couple scenes in a movie.
I don't think you have to be immersed...people should have been able to follow, as there were ample flashbacks/explanations. But this is like the comics... you don't have to buy every tie-in, but it helps....and other comics get referenced in many other issues.
I think there is a momentum problem that is happening now...kinda like the comics, where the first Secret Wars & Crisis on Infinite Earths were new and radical, and thus huge successes.... but subsequent "big events" were letdowns in comparison.
But are they the same people who were saying it...or just an equal number/loudness of people from both sides complaining?
Tor's review is overwhelmingly positive.
https://www.tor.com/2023/11/13/movi...6aps-qSK5vpMRcPae73mqOzNS6CY8RUc8RniDsA-YlRPA
https://www.tor.com/2023/11/13/movi...6aps-qSK5vpMRcPae73mqOzNS6CY8RUc8RniDsA-YlRPA
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