Season three's story (if a collection of call back fan wank can be called that) was the worst of the lot. An unambitious paint by numbers snorefest made of of pieces gathered from better things.
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What the frell happened?
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The question of why it was made?
No, next to the other mystery box.The question of why it was made?
Sorry, should have been more clear
Q still died, this is just Q from earlier in his personal timeline before he died. He even tells jacks not to think linearly or something like that
The writer of that episode claimed the Nepenthe episode was his favourite Season 1 episode, so I don't think it was meant to be a negative message towards the episode.
Terry has said he wanted a scene between Data and Soji, but there just wasn't time or room in the budget.
Did we watch different seasons?
And Season 3 was not made in reaction to Season 2. Season 3 finished filming before Season 2 even started airing.
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Having seen The 12 Monkeys, I can say that PIC Season 2 is very much a Terry Matalas show. I've also re-watched the two seasons back-to-to-back. I'm taking a brief pause from a Season 3 binge and I'll say there's nothing Terry ignored from Season 2.
The Jurati Borg are a different faction of the Borg than whatever's left after Janeway defeated the Borg Queen in VOY. And now that the Evil Borg, or the "the real Borg" as Shaw called them, are out of the picture, the Jurati-Borg are the ones still standing.
And Shaw, by the way, is an asshole who craps on everything 99% of the time. So I wouldn't read Shaw taking pot shots at the Jurati-Borg as anything more than what it is: Shaw's an asshole. He takes pot-shots at everything! Once again, in Shaw's first scene in PIC S3, I wanted to punch him in the face again. Then I reminded myself, "No, no, no, Picard and Riker are stringing him along."
Terry Matalas is a fan of the TOS Movies. And do you know what the TOS Movies did? Something different every film. Not because "the last one sucked!" but because "we want to do something different this time!" The only two exceptions to this were TWOK where they thought TMP was boring, and TUC where they quietly ignored TFF and focused on a story that served as an epilogue to II-IV.
The Jurati Borg are a different faction of the Borg than whatever's left after Janeway defeated the Borg Queen in VOY. And now that the Evil Borg, or the "the real Borg" as Shaw called them, are out of the picture, the Jurati-Borg are the ones still standing.
And Shaw, by the way, is an asshole who craps on everything 99% of the time. So I wouldn't read Shaw taking pot shots at the Jurati-Borg as anything more than what it is: Shaw's an asshole. He takes pot-shots at everything! Once again, in Shaw's first scene in PIC S3, I wanted to punch him in the face again. Then I reminded myself, "No, no, no, Picard and Riker are stringing him along."
Terry Matalas is a fan of the TOS Movies. And do you know what the TOS Movies did? Something different every film. Not because "the last one sucked!" but because "we want to do something different this time!" The only two exceptions to this were TWOK where they thought TMP was boring, and TUC where they quietly ignored TFF and focused on a story that served as an epilogue to II-IV.
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I'm honestly glad we didn't get friendly Borg in Season 3. The whole thing with Season 2 felt like it happened in an alternate/warped version of the universe, possibly modified by Q, who somehow ends up feeling rather disconnected from the entire scenario.
There's nothing wrong with new characters.
And there are people who want to bring him back (including Terry Matalas).
Genuine question since I am fascinated by people: what makes Shaw the most appealing to those who like him?
In any other recent series Shaw would be regarded as unevolved, backwards, and not a good fit for Star Trek. Yet, we have a lot of people welcoming him and treating him like he fits perfectly here, rather than the usual expectation around 24th century humans as paragons of virtue. Is it the actor and how he presents?
Don't misunderstand. I said Shaw's an asshole who I'd like to punch in the face. I didn't say I didn't like the character, as if I didn't want him on the show. Todd Stashwick does a great job with the character.
He's someone I love to hate. Big difference. I'm looking forward to seeing how they bring him back.
He's someone I love to hate. Big difference. I'm looking forward to seeing how they bring him back.
Oh, I think he’s very much the new Gene. Hailed by some as a saviour, heavily engaged in self-promotion and pandering, keen to dismiss work which he was not involved in.
Needs his own merchandising department.
I'm not a Picard fan, but that doesn't sound like the Matalas I've "encountered".
Pretty much. While Shaw is a complete and total Ass, Todd Stashwick did an excellent job providing an entertaining performance as an Ass.
The guy that played Shaw did an amazing job, there is no doubt about that. He was rather fantastic as Shaw.
Just on the ending, how much of Earth had been attacked by the rogue fleet of ships? The battlemap on the screen looked pretty damn bad if every major city was attacked and yet it looks like no time has passed relatively and everything is hunky dory again, what about the fleet of ships and destruction of said ships that happened?
Just on the ending, how much of Earth had been attacked by the rogue fleet of ships? The battlemap on the screen looked pretty damn bad if every major city was attacked and yet it looks like no time has passed relatively and everything is hunky dory again, what about the fleet of ships and destruction of said ships that happened?
They didn't actually attack any cities on Earth, they were in the process of targeting them when the Borg cube was destroyed and everyone had their individuality restored.
I’ve not encountered him at all; I’m just judging from what I see.
He engaged with prominent and toxic haters of modern Trek to talk up his season, and promoted their views. Season 3 disregarded and even essentially undid key events of previous seasons. The final episode had such a flagrant promotion for his spinoff that it pretty much broke the fourth wall.
I didn’t mind the season, but I find stuff like that offputting.
Because fans wanted a TNG reunion nostalgia fest.The question of why it was made?
I judge the final product only by what I see on screen as I'm watching it. Dig deep enough and you'll find Studio Politics in everything. So I don't do that. I'll judge the people for their actions, but not the product itself for those actions. Speaking of which...
I watched one such discussion panel and found what Terry said to be informative. I just wish he said all of it somewhere else, because it felt like a Democrat appearing on a FOX News panel.
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