Predictions for Phase 2 of Star Trek
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Then why comment on it?
You have no idea what will or will not be popular in 20 years.
To be honest I didn’t read much of your post because you began your counter argument using ALL CAPS AND FUCKING CURSE WORDS.
I’ve never interacted with you before. Who are you and why are you shouting at me?
I prefer to discuss things civilly. If you can’t do that, take a hike. You won’t get a further response from me.
If you’d like to apologise for sledgehammering your way into a conversation using a lot of overblown histrionics, inflammatory language and the internet equivalent of SHOUTING, I’m also open to that.
The former means we stop right here.
The latter means we might have a nice conversation.
The choice is yours.
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And what's your favorite season of Kurtzman Trek? It sounds like you don't have one. And if you don't have a favorite one, then what does it matter to you which one I choose? I could've picked any of them, and it would've gotten the same reaction from you.
By the way, I mentioned it upthread, and it turned out to be happening this weekend. I'm half-way through Barbenheimer. I watched Barbie yesterday, I'm and watching Oppenheimer later on today.
My spoiler-free review of Barbie: It's different from anything I've seen and it did things I didn't expect it would. It also defied convention and had some really pointed social commentary.
Star Trek would be smart to take some notes from Barbie.
My spoiler-free review of Barbie: It's different from anything I've seen and it did things I didn't expect it would. It also defied convention and had some really pointed social commentary.
Star Trek would be smart to take some notes from Barbie.
I look forward to reading them.
Mate, I didn't realise this place had become so damned precious. My post was clearly a joke. But on thikning about it, I suppose you've spent so much time defending your taste in Trek, said joke would land pretty flat. So I'll openly say: wasn't trying to piss you off, was meant as a bit of light ribbing, can see why it missed the mark.
As for my fave Kurtz-trek, you are correct. I have none. I stopped watching Disco after Season 3, Picard after Season 1, and Lower Decks after less than two minutes (though I have been told it does get a million times better after the first couple of eps so giving this a proper chance is on my to do list). I haven't watched a single second of SNW (also on my to do list). I was really enjoying Prodigy for what it was, so I've set that aside to watch with my young daughter and will start doing so pretty soon...
The fact is, based on what I've seen, the writing is objectively poor. The writers seem completely oblivious to who their target audience is, and even more damningly, who their own characters are. The extremely high production levels aren't enough of a mask of this for mine.
For now ...
Prodigy Co-Producer Aaron Waltke has said there's a "99.9% probability" of it landing somewhere else.
There's still that little 0.1% that gives me pause. I'm not popping the champagne just yet.
P+ wishes to "optimize" its streaming content:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/b...-content-spend-streaming-strategy-1235558143/
I'm taking this to mean more Trek and Yellowstone, less Grease: Rise of the Pink Ladies and American Gigolo.
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Your registration date suggests you were here during the days of the ENT Forum. So you know what it was like.
This board has been the same since Day One.
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So you believe that you and you alone can make objective statements about the quality of art?
Opinions are, by their very nature, subjective. As such, you aren't approaching the discussion from any kind of rational standpoint.
"I don't like it" does not equal "Objectively bad".
Eh, never mind. Discussion over. This kind of thing is ten a'penny within any fandom. Moving on!
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I had this in my last post, but it's better to have it here. Oppenheimer was great! Star Trek could pick up some things from that movie too.
With that out of the way, some new stuff. Well, not really "new", but you know what I mean.
With that out of the way, some new stuff. Well, not really "new", but you know what I mean.
I just find it strange that someone who hasn't followed Star Trek (except for Prodigy) in three years, by his own admission, cares about a thread discussing the next phase of it. If it were truly the case, he should've moved on by now. Something's fishy.
Quoted for posterity.
I watched Star Trek from 1991 to 1999 and then from 2017 on. I wasn't a fan of VOY or ENT. So I didn't force myself to watch six years of what I wasn't interested in, from 1999 to 2005. At that time, the only way Star Trek was ever going to get me back for good was if B&B left.
Plus, I'm not the one who told you to give the shows a chance. It also looks like you already gave them a chance anyway.
Not what I said.
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Genuine apologies for the multi-post. The way the thread opened for me I missed the below. My bad:
I disagree with the last sentence, which was kinda my point. I think maybe the difference back then was that were fewer people who were all in on the new (at the point, just Ent) and out with the old (all that came before). The discussions around Ent got pretty heated, but those same people arguing would be in a different forum discussing some other aspect of the franchise.
The delineation marker (old/new) seems perhaps much more prevalent now.
For example, a movie I absolutely adore: xXx. The Vin Diesel action piece. It is hot garbage. I know it is. The dialogue is cornier than a corn dog served by professor corn from his corn machine. The plot is an absolute contrivance and a mashup of plotlines from movies who all did it better; the acting is sub-par, and that's being kind... really, the only technically good things are some cool cinematography and stunt-work/action set pieces. Again... I fucking love this movie. Don't ask me why. I don't know. I just do...
There are hundreds of examples of objectively poor writing in the four seasons of STD/PIC i've seen. That you've been enamoured with some other aspect of these shows is more power to you mate...
Oh yeah, I was here for Ent.
I disagree with the last sentence, which was kinda my point. I think maybe the difference back then was that were fewer people who were all in on the new (at the point, just Ent) and out with the old (all that came before). The discussions around Ent got pretty heated, but those same people arguing would be in a different forum discussing some other aspect of the franchise.
The delineation marker (old/new) seems perhaps much more prevalent now.
I'm not claiming to be sole arbiter of anything. The objective quality of anything - even art - is quantifiable, even if it's reduced to just the technical aspect/level. That basically everyone applies their own subjective standards and generally chooses to ignore (or in some cases can't see) the objective is the reason for variability in peoples tastes - which obviously we're all the better for.
For example, a movie I absolutely adore: xXx. The Vin Diesel action piece. It is hot garbage. I know it is. The dialogue is cornier than a corn dog served by professor corn from his corn machine. The plot is an absolute contrivance and a mashup of plotlines from movies who all did it better; the acting is sub-par, and that's being kind... really, the only technically good things are some cool cinematography and stunt-work/action set pieces. Again... I fucking love this movie. Don't ask me why. I don't know. I just do...
There are hundreds of examples of objectively poor writing in the four seasons of STD/PIC i've seen. That you've been enamoured with some other aspect of these shows is more power to you mate...
Yeah, I've heard/read that too. His openly saying so is what lends credence to the other reports around what's going on at P+ imo...
There's another take on what's going I hadn't heard/read, but it's not a million miles away from the others (or what I said above). Where opinion really differs here is re: Trek. Most don't think it'll survive because of its costs. I guess you can read that as it'll either be the headliner/flagship show, or there won't be any (assuming these "insiders" are correct ofc).
I'm not "all out with the old" and "all in with the new". I don't like SNW as much as DSC or PIC. I stopped watching LD altogether. I like TOS, TNG, DS9, and yes VOY (my opinion of it has gone up since the '90s/'00s), but ENT is still the one series I outright don't like. I also like the TOS Movies better than the TNG or Kelvin Movies.
No one I know here is as black-and-white as "all out with the old" and "all in with the new". That's a picture you have in your head.
And, by the way, I was a moderator here from 2002 to 2008, so I know the board inside-out, espcially as it was in 2005. The ENT Forum was a flame-fest. I didn't post there, but I saw enough and I knew what was going on behind-the-scenes. So I have a much deeper understanding of the TrekBBS circa 2005 than you do.
Trek is P+'s entry against Marvel and Star Wars (SW was the reason TMP was made back in the 70's).
They're not going to throw away a major franchise.
Given that Kurtzman being in charge of Trek is potentially continuing on for another 5ish years, depending on contracts, what is next for you?
Genuine question because I gave up on TNG and VOY and didn't get to DS9 until later and didn't get through season 1 of ENT. I content myself with TOS rewatches, the Abrams films, and fan discussion. Being a Trek fan for "X" number of years doesn't mean everything is for every fan. Especially if it's "abysmal."
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