Predictions for Phase 2 of Star Trek

[Mudd]

The "overall Trek fanbase" is a deeply weird notion. What you've got is a pretty small number of devoted fans who spend an inordinate amount of time on social media and places like this, and then you've got most people who like and watch Star Trek and don't fret at all about stuff like "CW angsty drivel." Most viewers have never heard of this "Legacy" vaporware and don't care.

It's probably more important that STD ran for a full five years and a lot of the folks who like it are probably open to SFA, even curious about it. They're likely a more significant part of the current Trek fanbase that follows streaming Trek than the fretters are.

 

[Lord Garth]

It's probably more important that STD ran for a full five years and a lot of the folks who like it are probably open to SFA, even curious about it. They're likely a more significant part of the current Trek fanbase that follows streaming Trek than the fretters are.

I'm curious about SFA, yes.

Honest question, not a gotcha: Why are you still calling it "STD" and not Discovery? It sounds like you actively dislike Picard a lot more these days.

 

[William Gatsby]

I think for the overall Trek fanbase Academy is starting out with two strikes.

One is “teen drama” description that brings to mind the stereotypical CW angsty drivel.

the second is the idea that it’s preventing us from having the “promised land” of Star Trek: Legacy. Go through the threads about Legacy and see how many people want to back burner or outright cancel Academy to get us the 7 of 9 power hour. Those are the type of fans that will purposely not watch and bad mouth Academy in order to drive numbers and opinion down to make it go away.

Oh yeah, for sure. It's going to be Star Trek: Discovery all over again.

And the same people who haven't liked Discovery since 2017 probably won't like this Starfleet Academy show either. And it'll be along some of the same lines.

Briefly on the "Star Trek: Legacy" idea: I can easily understand them not even considering doing anything with that (at the moment), because it presumably won't be all that different than what they're doing with Strange New Worlds.

It'll be a show with a ship and its captain. A bridge crew, and they'll be exploring. And really the only major difference is that it'll (presumably) be serialized as opposed to episodic, and set in the 25th century and not the 23rd.

So it would almost be a little redundant to do it.

I suppose that's the reason why Discovery was cancelled too. A ship and its captain. Bridge, crew, exploring. Serialized not episodic. And 32nd and not 23rd.

So also redundant.

You can only have so many shows doing basically the same thing, and expensive shows at that.

After Strange New Worlds ends will they go to with the "Legacy" idea then, or back to the 32nd century with perhaps characters from this Starfleet Academy show graduating onto a ship. And that would the exploring Star Trek show. It's what I would do, but we'll see what they do.

A curious thing about the Starfleet Academy show is that Paramount+ doesn't really have many shows like it...

The new series description and quote below from the showrunners seems to hint at a more soapy YA Trek than the other shows, as well as increased diversity (which, given this is the world of Star Trek, could refer to species diversity, as well).

Starfleet Academy “will introduce us to a young group of cadets who come together to pursue a common dream of hope and optimism. Under the watchful and demanding eyes of their instructors, they will discover what it takes to become Starfleet officers as they navigate blossoming friendships, explosive rivalries, first loves and a new enemy that threatens both the Academy and the Federation itself.”

A soapy young adult show. Paramount+, like CBS, tends to skew older, right.

They do have iCarly. And I see that it recently had its third season finale, I believe, and is a top-5 overall show on Paramount+ at the moment. iCarly is a comedy, I think, and this will presumably be a drama. Either way, the play may be to get some of that audience.

So a bit a of a big swing. But I guess you have to do that. And it seems like it'll be Star Trek "the next generation" in an almost literal sense.

It would be funny if they did something like:

Star Trek: Starfleet Academy... the real next generation.

They wouldn't do that though.

Anyway, Alex Kurtzman has been talking about doing a show like this since at least 2017.

A musical episode, a Section 31 show, and a Starfleet Academy show. These have been on his checklist for years now and he's finally checking them off.

 

[Uhura's Song]

There's not going to be another Kelvin Film. It's been seven years and they just can't get the next one made. It's done.

Another TNG Movie's not happening. Picard Season 3 is the closest we'll get. I'm not saying we don't EVER see the TNG cast again. But all at the same time and on the Enterprise? Not happening.

I can see them bringing back Discovery... but as a TV Movie.

Strange New Worlds would also get the TV Movie treatment.

If there's another Star Trek movie in theaters, it'll be another reboot. Don't know when or by who, but it'll be made by someone else, starring someone else.

Good post.

But if SNW continues to blow up, I could see a movie there.

If Yeoh & the S31 movies is well regarded, I wonder if a Kelvin movie couod get that treatment?

 

[Uhura's Song]

For me:

Phase 1: TOS, TAS
Phase 2: TOS Movies
Phase 3: TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, TNG Movies
Phase 4: Kelvinverse movies
Phase 5: DISCO, ST, PIC, LD, PRO, SNW
Phase 6: SFA, S31 movie

I a tempted to say that anything that is a DISCO spinoff should still be Phase 5. But as that is all in the future, for now, they are in a different category from the present shows. Until DISCO signs off, I cannot say this Phase if Trek, the phase DISCO started, is over.

 

[FederationHistorian]

If, by "public consciousness,' you mean the general public's consciousness, then no, DSC is not in the general public's consciousness,

But it is… as one of those shows that targeted by online vloggers for partaking in the “culture wars”. Not what DIS intended.

nor would it have been if they led with SNW first.

SNW would have had the support of fans, as well as critics, if launched then. Whereas the fans and critics could not have been further apart on DIS.

Name five successful movies where there are only one or two characters in a single location.

No.

Y’all can’t use Google? I can think of a couple of films of the top of my head.

I can't even imagine

Then stop criticizing those that have the imagination that can.

But please, give a brief synopsis. What would this movie that had only one or two characters in a single location be about? How would that play out over it's 2 hour runtime?

There wouldn’t be anything like it before, and I don’t think some of you are ready for that kind of depth. But it would allow Paramount to make two movies on the budget for what it cost to make on of the other Kelvinverse movies.

The win-win-win scenario would be the following.

A mid-budget Kelvin movie.

A Legacy movie could happen, as a spinoff to PIC and be this era’s GEN. With Picard in the Kirk role, and Seven in the Picard role.

As for the TNG cast getting together for one more movie, the TNG cast should get in touch with Seth MacFarlane to pitch them all appearing in an Orville movie if they want to do a movie together. That could be the TNG reunion movie that also ticks off a few boxes for those that want to see the TNG cast on the Orville.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

There wouldn’t be anything like it before, and I don’t think some of you are ready for that kind of depth. But it would allow Paramount to make two movies on the budget for what it cost to make on of the other Kelvinverse movies.

Help me to imagine.

Star Trek XI, a movie with two characters (or one), set in a single location.

Give me a pitch.

 

[HotRod]

As for the TNG cast getting together for one more movie, the TNG cast should get in touch with Seth MacFarlane to pitch them all appearing in an Orville movie if they want to do a movie together. That could be the TNG reunion movie that also ticks off a few boxes for those that want to see the TNG cast on the Orville.

You're trolling, right? You gotta be. It's the only thing that makes any possible sense. No one is this naive about the current state of films. Now you want an Orville movie? A show that in almost all likelihood is cancelled.

And you want to make it some kinda TNG crossover? Yes, I'm sure both Disney and Paramount will be banging your door down, any minute now with a dump truck of money.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

You're trolling, right? You gotta be. It's the only thing that makes any possible sense. No one is this naive about the current state of films. Now you want an Orville movie? A show that in almost all likelihood is cancelled.

And you want to make it some kinda TNG crossover? Yes, I'm sure both Disney and Paramount will be banging your door down, any minute now with a dump truck of money.

You're just not ready for that kind of depth.

 

[HotRod]

You're just not ready for that kind of depth.

Neither was the Titan submarine. We know how that ended. Lol

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Neither was the Titan submarine. We know how that ended. Lol

... not sure if too soon...

 

[fireproof78]

You're just not ready for that kind of depth.

How I'm feeling...

 

[FederationHistorian]

an Orville movie? A show that in almost all likelihood is cancelled.

Which is all the more reason to do a movie. Especially with members of the Orville cast being open to more Orville.

And you want to make it some kinda TNG crossover?

Who said anything about them reprising their TNG characters?

Yes, I'm sure both Disney and Paramount will be banging your door down, any minute now with a dump truck of money.

You never know. Anything is possible.

 

[The Old Mixer]

@Richard S. Ta
@FederationHistorian
Separate corners. Put each other on Ignore if you have to.

 

[William Gatsby]

Help me to imagine.

Star Trek XI, a movie with two characters (or one), set in a single location.

Give me a pitch.

That's an interesting challenge.

One thing that immediately comes to mind is the first episode of The Twilight Zone: "Where is Everybody?"

Mike Ferris finds himself in a town strangely devoid of people. But despite the emptiness, he has the odd feeling that he's being watched...

That's of course a television episode, but you could make a fairly interesting Star Trek movie out of that idea.

A full-length movie you could do is a Star Trek version of a movie called Moon.

Astronaut Sam Bell's (Sam Rockwell) three-year shift at a lunar mine is finally coming to an end, and he's looking forward to his reunion with his wife (Dominique McElligott) and young daughter. Suddenly, Sam's health takes a drastic turn for the worse. He suffers painful headaches and hallucinations, and almost has a fatal accident. He meets what appears to be a younger version of himself, possibly a clone. With time running out, Sam must solve the mystery before the company crew arrives.

A Star Trek pitch, and since I love Michael Burnham...

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You can build off of that.

You can do "900 years into the future and you don't know if you're the only one who made it or not."

"Where and when are you? And did this really happen and are you alone? Or is this all in your imagination?"

And you can of course set it anywhere and anytime. There's a number of variations you can do.

The thing that I would personally pitch though is a Star Trek take on 2001: A Space Odyssey.

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That would be my elevator pitch: 2001: A Space Odyssey, only it's Star Trek.

 

[The Old Mixer]

The thing that I would personally pitch though is a Star Trek take on 2001: A Space Odyssey.

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That would be my elevator pitch: 2001: A Space Odyssey, only it's Star Trek.

*Cough*TMP*cough*

 

[fireproof78]

*Cough*TMP*cough*

*checks calendar*

Huh, it is 2023.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

That's an interesting challenge.

One thing that immediately comes to mind is the first episode of The Twilight Zone: "Where is Everybody?"

It's a good episode. A very interesting premise.

A full-length movie you could do is a Star Trek version of a movie called Moon.

I love Moon.

Both great examples of movies/stories that work with one character, but... if that's what you're going to do, you might as well call it something else other than Star Trek, surely?

From its very inception Star Trek was a show about a crew, on a ship, going places. Take away the crew, ship and the places to go and... would it even be recognisable as a Star Trek story?

Talking elsewhere about this whole topic, another poster had an idea not dissimilar to an old movie called Enemy Mine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_Mine_(film)

Pine Kirk and whatever alien stranded on a planet, learning to work together. But even then, if feels more like an idea suitable for an episode rather than a movie.

 

[FederationHistorian]

That's an interesting challenge.

One thing that immediately comes to mind is the first episode of The Twilight Zone: "Where is Everybody?"
That's of course a television episode, but you could make a fairly interesting Star Trek movie out of that idea.

One thing that comes to mind is Calypso. Yes, the Short Trek.

Basically, Star Trek could do the same thing, but based around one of the Kelvin characters.

 

[M'Sharak]

Talking elsewhere about this whole topic, another poster had an idea not dissimilar to an old movie called Enemy Mine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_Mine_(film)

Pine Kirk and whatever alien stranded on a planet, learning to work together. But even then, if feels more like an idea suitable for an episode rather than a movie.

That was done once (kinda) as a TNG episode:
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/The_Enemy_(episode)

And then done later (and quite a bit closer to the "Enemy Mine" story) as an episode of ENT:
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Dawn_(episode)