Spoilers ST Strange New Worlds - Starships and Technology Season Two Discussion
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“Prime” is just a marketing tool. It’s a meaningless (to them) buzzword that CBS knows means something to their target audience, which is why they use it. CBS themselves could care less about ‘prime.’ The only thing they ever cared about was back in 2017 when they didn’t want their audience confused that their new Trek show took place in the same continuity as the Kelvin films, because CBS didn’t own them at the time. That’s all moot now with their merger with Paramount.
Offer him a horse for handling that rocket, too.
I dunno, casting SNW as an alt timeline can come off as insulting towards the entertainment workers who make the show. It could be taken as a backhanded way to say "your efforts do not count and don't contribute to the rest of trek's over arching story"
Are they all still getting a paycheck? Because that’s what they really care about. You think the cast of nuBSG had some existential crisis about their show being a reboot of TOS BSG?
People can still have passion for their work, and more likely than BSG may have been inspired by startrek in some way growing up. Is there a reason they shouldn't get both a check and baseline respect?
That depends on the tone of the person saying it.
I'm not one of them, I welcome SNW & the Alt-TimeLine.
It's a fun show
And yet we tell that to anyone who creates tie-in productions like games and novels.
Since we're extremely unlikely to ever revisit the original TOS (except through fan productions) then SNW is essentially part of the new timeline for Star Trek so it is contributing to the rest of Trek's over arching story going forward. I think the new timeline is a positive in that we don't have debate over how it doesn't match TOS since it doesn't need to. It also helps that SNW is enjoyable to watch, IMHO
I've had a head canon that SNW (and DSC) are a separate timeline from Prime Trek/LD/PIC for awhile, and honestly at this point its the only way to justify a bunch of the show, especially "Spock" and his relationship with T'Pring, which 100% goes against the spirit, if not the actual text, of what Amok Time seemed to say about their lack of relationship. The Gorn are also very obviously not the Gorn of Prime Trek (or the Mirrorverse or Kelvinverse).
Since Trek has a history of universe jumping, with both the Mirror Universe stuff and Prime Spock traveling to/creating the Kelvinverse, the Lower decks crossover can even easily be canon to both (Lower Decks, like Picard, being obviously still in the Prime timeline because of how specific, and how much, they connect to it).
I mean in the end its all going to be head canon. The people writing/producing SNW don't give a shit about continuity or the franchise in general, but if its even a little to their advantage to say SNW is canon with TOS/etc then they're going to keep saying it no matter how much they contradict everything that comes after them in the timeline.
Since Trek has a history of universe jumping, with both the Mirror Universe stuff and Prime Spock traveling to/creating the Kelvinverse, the Lower decks crossover can even easily be canon to both (Lower Decks, like Picard, being obviously still in the Prime timeline because of how specific, and how much, they connect to it).
I mean in the end its all going to be head canon. The people writing/producing SNW don't give a shit about continuity or the franchise in general, but if its even a little to their advantage to say SNW is canon with TOS/etc then they're going to keep saying it no matter how much they contradict everything that comes after them in the timeline.
It should first and foremost be enjoyable to watch. It should have interesting characters who are engaging and fun for the audience. And it should have good stories. The continuity connections are lower tier importance. If the way to get around it is time travel shenanigans then go for it. The people writing Trek cannot account for every little detail that fans will hyper focus on as contradictions. Because Trek has had that for as along as I can remember and that somehow never warranted a new universe. It warranted some reevaluation of long held assumptions and that's about it.Since we're extremely unlikely to ever revisit the original TOS (except through fan productions) then SNW is essentially part of the new timeline for Star Trek so it is contributing to the rest of Trek's over arching story going forward. I think the new timeline is a positive in that we don't have debate over how it doesn't match TOS since it doesn't need to. It also helps that SNW is enjoyable to watch, IMHO
I personally prefer that SNW and TOS are connected even if it isn't exactly correct. Because exactly correct doesn't happen in stories of history, much less fictional tales.
Fair enough I will agree that context matters.
I suppose to me how I've been making the mess make sense is to assume that if you branch off from a universe's timeline, but the deviations aren't substantial enough to change key events, and that branch effectively re-converges with its originating timeline further down the road then you're still part of that universe you started from. If this weren't the case then we'd be in a new universe every time there's a time travel episode cause your very presence constitutes an unfixable change. Of course this is just talking about how one may organize time travel based story telling, and isn't some high level talk on how time travel may theoretically work.Since we're extremely unlikely to ever revisit the original TOS (except through fan productions) then SNW is essentially part of the new timeline for Star Trek so it is contributing to the rest of Trek's over arching story going forward. I think the new timeline is a positive in that we don't have debate over how it doesn't match TOS since it doesn't need to. It also helps that SNW is enjoyable to watch, IMHO
And speaking of context, this sort of take is pretty much what I'm talking about, thank you for the example of how to give alt-timeline talk a bad rep.
The great thing about Star Trek is that they've hit about every major time-travel method so the writers could hop quantum realities and visit TOS, etc if they wanted to. It just so happens that the timeline airing now is SNW and any current and likely future shows will connect to it.
In case you haven't watched it, SNW's "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow" made SNW an altered timeline canon. It actually went a little further and made it that the timeline has been messed with for more than several decades through the Temporal Wars so you could even attribute even little retcons to it. The episode also goes on to say that even though changes occur, the big events, like the Eugenics War, the forming of the Federation etc still somehow occur ("as if time is pushing back") although when and how and the details will be different. So you're not imagining things are different since they are
On that thought, I think that the people writing/producing SNW actually care alot more about continuity since they were brave enough to make the timeline being altered canon when most of the earlier series didn't and we ended up with decades of debates of retcons.
It's a moot argument since SNW gave us a good reason that they don't need to be exactly correct and I'm happy they did that
I will be quite blunt and simply state that while watching SNW I am unconcerned with TOS and vice versa. I think that both provide important insights around the characters, but if I'm thinking about timelines in the middle of an episode the episode has failed in some measure to entertain me.It's a moot argument since SNW gave us a good reason that they don't need to be exactly correct and I'm happy they did that
Good for you then. But for anyone else that is puzzled by why things look differently in SNW when compared to TOS, well now we know and I'm happy they did that. You can enjoy your SNW anyway you want
Why do things look different?Good for you then. But for anyone else that is puzzled by why things look differently in SNW when compared to TOS, well now we know and I'm happy they did that. You can enjoy your SNW anyway you want
Dramatic recreation of Kirk's logs by one person vs. Pike's logs by another. That's been my approach since TMP. Characters are important not the fabric or drapes or hairstyles.
Hey, I'm just pointing out SNW's explanation for it. How you handle your head canon is up to you.
