DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

[TREK_GOD_1]

That’s as may be, but to call it “bigotry” is needlessly excessive (and, to be frank, a bit absurd when set against actual bigotry).

Absurd to be sure, and it common in the modern day to shout "bigotry" at anything due to the most negative sociopolitical behavior/actions usually associated with the word. In no way should it be used in any description of entertainment distinctions such as live action and animation.

Some need to brace themselves and accept the reality that many still view animation as content for children and will never see or consider it on the same level as live-action, even when dealing with the same subject matter.

 

[Rich Watson]

They really are sending 'Blue Beetle' out to die.

 

[Set Harth]

It's like Normandy out there.

 

[JD]

I just don't see the point of segregating productions by medium for something like this. Acting is acting. Writing is writing. The things that are different between live action and animation are irrelevant if you're cataloguing the portrayals of a character, because portrayal is about the writing and the performance. I mean, Great Krypton, how can you talk about "the evolution of Lex Luthor" and omit Clancy Brown? That's like talking about the evolution of vertebrates and skipping over dinosaurs.

When I was 5, I discovered Star Trek: TOS and TAS within weeks of each other. And in that decade, the '70s, there were a number of animated spinoffs of live-action sitcoms. So I got used to seeing the same shows and characters in live action and animation at the same time, so I guess I always thought of them as a continuum.




Only in that it's harder. Lots of on-camera actors give weak performances when they start doing animation, because they haven't learned the skill of performing with just the voice. And I've seen on-camera actors become better on-camera actors after they took up voice work, notably Morena Baccarin, who was a weak actress on Firefly but got much better after she played Black Canary on Justice League. Voice acting is a vital part of acting, on or off camera. There is no segregation between them.

I mean, seriously -- for most of the history of acting, it was done live on stage, and only the audience members close to the stage could really see the actors' faces clearly. The bulk of the work of acting, for all of history up until the invention of the cinematic close-up, has always been about the voice and the body more than the face.

Which is exactly the bias I'm complaining about. That dismissal of animation is a distinctly American prejudice that you don't find in other countries -- e.g. Japan, where anime is probably more popular than live action.

And yet, even though there's been plenty of US animation worthy of adult followings, we cling to the dismissal of animation as an inferior or ghettoized genre. The fact that a prejudice is widely shared does NOT make it right. It just makes it more wrong and more important to object to it.

I just hope you're this passionate about things that actually matter.

 

[Captaindemotion]

I just hope you're this passionate about things that actually matter.

To be fair, while I’m rolling my eyes at his take on this issue, he often is passionate about things that I would say matter, and more often than not I think he’s right on those issues.

 

[JD]

OK, that's fair then.

 

[Rich Watson]

According to this interview with Patrick Wilson Aquaman was doing reshoots last week (or actually two weeks ago now). At this point they must have spent more time reshooting the film than they did shooting it in the first place.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/m...dious-the-red-door-patrick-wilson-1235531286/

 

[Noname Given]

If WB considered Black Adam a box office bomb, they must be beside themselves WRT The Flash.
https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/custom-comparisons/Flash-The/Black-Adam#tab=day_by_day_comparison

(Sad to say, but I guess 'The Rock' is a bigger draw than Michael Keaton as Batman. So much for the film that was going to save/revitalize the DCEU. I don't think James Gunn's retooling will do much better, but I guess time will tell.)

 

[Set Harth]

But how do you revitalize the DCEU if you're actually euthanizing it?
Or was the Flash film originally conceived as a DCEU-saver before the new regime took over?

 

[Ovation]

But how do you revitalize the DCEU if you're actually euthanizing it?
Or was the Flash film originally conceived as a DCEU-saver before the new regime took over?

Several regimes ago, it was supposed to be a reset of the DCEU—allowing anything that came after to contradict anything that came before (within broad limits)—so that any aspect deemed limiting could be changed without any lengthy explanation. Because timeline reset.

 

[The Realist]

According to the link below, in "an exclusive to Vanity Fair," three new actors/characters have been revealed for Superman: Legacy -- Isabela Merced as Hawkgirl, Edi Gathegi as Mr. Terrific, and Nathan Fillion as Green Lantern (Guy Gardner).

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2023/07/superman-legacy-cast

While this is sort of cool on its own terms, I'm a little concerned about Superman getting squeezed out of his own movie. Gunn needs to keep the DCU worldbuilding very much secondary (tertiary, quaternary, quinary) to telling a great story firmly focused on Clark and Lois.

ETA: I also note that the Vanity Fair article styles the film's title as "Superman Legacy" -- no colon. But that probably means nothing, since Gunn himself was still using the colon in a post on Instagram today:

Superman: Legacy opens two years from today. It may seem far away to many of you, but it’s close to me! We have a lot to do between now and then. But I haven’t been more excited about a project in forever… and this cast, slowly coming together… holy cow…

https://www.instagram.com/p/CukPzQgPKOa/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

 

[Christopher]

Nathan Fillion as Guy Gardner? Neat! Should be an interesting contrast from his animated turn as Hal Jordan.

 

[Rich Watson]

According to the link below, in "an exclusive to Vanity Fair," three new actors/characters have been revealed for Superman: Legacy -- Isabela Merced as Hawkgirl, Edi Gathegi as Mr. Terrific, and Nathan Fillion as Green Lantern (Guy Gardner).

Should they rename it "Black Adam 2"?

Can't believe they're going back to "Go directly to 'Justice League'. Do not pass Go" again.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

While this is sort of cool on its own terms, I'm a little concerned about Superman getting squeezed out of his own movie. Gunn needs to keep the DCU worldbuilding very much secondary (tertiary, quaternary, quinary) to telling a great story firmly focused on Clark and Lois.

Yeah, I have some reservations about that news. Gunn does well in that b-movie spirit but I'm curious if he's a good choice for big tentpole productions. It seems a lot to try to take on from the get go.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

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[Rich Watson]

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Why do they make trailers where the basically show you all the key points of the movie?

 

[fireproof78]

The editing firms are not usually in house and have to work with footage given to them by the studio.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Supposedly from studies and focus groups they think that is what the audience actually wants and responds best to.

 

[The Realist]

Yeah, I have some reservations about that news. Gunn does well in that b-movie spirit but I'm curious if he's a good choice for big tentpole productions. It seems a lot to try to take on from the get go.

As I've said a number of times, my personal preference would be that Superman not be part of a sprawling comic-book universe stuffed to bursting with lesser costumed do-gooders, but that stories instead be centered exclusively around him and his family of characters. Of course, that ship has long since sailed in the comics, but many of the movies and TV shows have taken the Superman-only approach, to their great benefit IMO. I would have hoped Superman: Legacy would do the same, and I'm frankly rather concerned at the implications of this casting news.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

That was fast!

What began as a back to basics Superman movie; with Clark, Lois and Jimmy as cub reporters. Has quickly spun into a Justice League-lite movie.

Haven’t we been here before? Har dee har


I like all the castings. Especially Nathan Fillion (who was the voice for Hal Jordan on the DCAU movies) now being Guy Gardner.