It never did.
Don't understand why this is so hard to understand.
Agreed. Connecting to our history is part of Trek's appeal to me.
Khan and the Eugenics War
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Don't understand why this is so hard to understand.
So, create a little confusion and a barrier for most viewers in order to satisfy some nitpickers?
Another reason we need Legacy... especially should it be running longer than a series directly linked to SNW...
I find this quote hilarious because it implies that some people DID experience the Eugenics Wars in the 1990s.
The folks who continually insist that the Trek Universe must be our future always conveniently forget that "Assignment: Earth" established the U.S. and other nations were launching nuclear warhead platforms into orbit in 1968:
Obviously, this never came to pass in the real world because of the Outer Space Treaty of 1967. So the Star Trek Universe hasn't been the same as our future since 1968 at least.
And since whatever program that gave birth to Khan would have to start in the 1960s at the latest for him to reach maturity by 1992, the divergence probably happened even sooner.
We don't. We really, really don't.
I mean, what's the sales pitch there: "This is your father's Trek?"
Indeed. Not a damn thing in Trek is needed.
Well, Kirk and Khan both say in TWOK that it's been 15 years since the events of "Space Seed," but the official Okuda Timeline puts the gap at 18 years for... some reason.It would be easier to ignore the 1996 thing if Khan himself hadn't said it. If anyone knows for sure when the Eugenics Wars are supposed to happen, it would be Khan!
I've honestly been regarding SNW as an alternate timeline since the beginning. I drive myself less crazy that way.
In my mind, maybe some things happened the same way there as they did in the TOS universe, but not necessarily. So I'm taking as a sort of Broad Strokes Continuity.
Doesn't PIC tie in with DSC too, though?
Eh, then we can just go back to the Strangers in the Sky version of first contact with the Vulcans.
Yes, that was a retcon Mark Waid came up with in his recent History of the Marvel Universe series to prevent Marvel from having to update the wars various characters were in every 10-20 years of publishing time.
I'm going to put on my pedantic comic book nerd hat here and point out that the first issue of the FF from 1961 doesn't say anything about landing on the Moon. Ben Grimm says Reed Richards is flying to the stars. (And okay, yes, we also have Sue Storm expressing concern about "The Commies beating us to it." It's not perfect.
)X-Men writer Chris Claremont LOOOOVED tying his character backstories to real world events, even when they would inevitably get screwed up by the sliding timeline Marvel uses. Uncanny X-Men #102 (Dec. 1956) originally established that Storm's parents were killed in the Suez Crisis in 1956. That was retconned away over time, as it would've made Storm older than the stories implied.
So yeah, they've jumped through all sorts of hoops to make Magneto still be a Holocaust survivor, even though it doesn't really make sense anymore, timeline-wise.
Yes, perfect example. Although they walked that back a bit later in the series and kept the time more vague, didn't they?
It's a bit more complicated than that. According to the Wikipedia article on Kato, they changed Kato's description at the beginning of the radio show from "Japanese valet" to "faithful valet" in 1939 after Japan invaded China. So they played it vague and he was just generically Asian. Kato was first referred to as Filipino on the June 21st, 1941 episode of the radio show. But before that, the 1940 movie serials said he was Korean (while he was played by a Chinese-American actor, Keye Luke
). The 1960s TV show with Bruce Lee playing Kato had him as Chinese, the same as his actor (The episode "The Preying Mantis" makes this clear).The first issue of the 1989 Green Hornet comic series from NOW Comics said that the Japanese Kato pretended to be Filipino to avoid being sent to an internment center during WWII. Writer Ron Fortier came up with that explanation. In the recent multiple Green Hornet comic series published by Dynamite, I think they've had both Japanese and Chinese versions of Kato, depending on who is writing the series.
And this is all before we even get into the question of who had the Green Hornet's love child!
I am now picturing a DTI series with Dulmur and Lucsly trying to make sure that everyone's parents still hooked up at the right place and right time, Back to the Future style.
I've considered all of Trek to be in its own multiverse. (Orbital nuclear weapons in 1968, yeah, there's yet another point of divergence, right along with all the extra nebulae and whatever caused them...) Therefore, I didn't and don't see the need for this "fix". It was fun to watch, and the thinking behind the changes still worries me.
I'm sure finding someone in this fandom who thinks they did, won't actually be hard.I find this quote hilarious because it implies that some people DID experience the Eugenics Wars in the 1990s.
Probably an intentional joke on Meyer's part.
My retcon would be making Reed and his team a private company launching a commercial spaceflight venture ala Bezos, Musk and Branson. Reed Richard, tech bro.
Gary Seven fixed that. And only certain people knew of their existence
I'm sure.Probably an intentional joke on Meyer's part.
Yes, I've been saying the same thing for months. The FF's origin is now more topical than it's been in years. Heck, even the uniform Shatner wore on his space flight looked like the classic FF uniform. And the crew breakdown was three men and one woman!My retcon would be making Reed and his team a private company launching a commercial spaceflight venture ala Bezos, Musk and Branson. Reed Richard, tech bro.
If the showrunners had simply said, out of universe, that the wars had been moved, it would have removed TOS from continuity. It would never have happened.
Making it an IN-universe event solved that problem, since it means that TOS once DID happen.
Don't understand why this is so hard to understand.
No it wouldn't have. It would only alter those specific lines talking about dates, not the entire TV series.
TNG moved World War 3 to the 21st century with no in-universe explanation. TOS still exists.
If that was truly the case, then there would be no need to shift dates. It wouldn't matter.
Continuity is not a bad thing. It can even be used to tell new stories.
I think most people can tell the difference between the real world and a fictional one.
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