Spoilers Episode Three Sneak Peek

[ichab]

Nothing in Trek is literal history. Though TOS as a dramatic recreation of Kirk's logs doesn't work. Plenty of instances when the 90s era threw back to 60s TOS within continuity;

I'm good with Wesley playing the bland version of Captain Kirk either way. It just further disconnects SNW from TOS, and into it's own thing.

Both TNG and DS9 did a good job of revisiting the TOS while staying respectful to the source material. That's partially why those two episodes are so fondly remembered. Even Enterprise was able to make a cool looking ship and bridge that didn't look like it was more advanced than TOS. However once the Kelvin movies and Discovery came out, that ship pretty much sailed.

 

[MrShinzoff]

Why not just give Wesley a proper chance as Kirk? I think SNW does a lot of things really well but the casting of the non-Discovery people is possibly one of the most impressive things of the show. They've got everyone else right so I'm confident that Wesley will grow into the role - although I actually did like him in episode 10.

Wesley spent most of episode 10 looking into a camera and then facing off against the freakishly charismatic series lead. It's just not enough to make a proper judgement imo.

 

[Paul755]

Yeah, Wesley deserves a bigger chance than the what…5-8 minutes of screen time he got last season. He wasn’t impressive in that time but was so limited. Maybe he’ll be fine with a larger role.

 

[Tuskin38]

Both TNG and DS9 did a good job of revisiting the TOS while staying respectful to the source material. That's partially why those two episodes are so fondly remembered. Even Enterprise was able to make a cool looking ship and bridge that didn't look like it was more advanced than TOS. However once the Kelvin movies and Discovery came out, that ship pretty much sailed.

Because those 90s episodes were one offs and not an entire series set in that time period trying to attract new audiences.

I doubt Paramount/CBS/Viacom whoever it was back then would have green lit a TOS era show looking like those episodes back then.

 

[Mudd]

People complained like Hell about Archer's bridge, and ship, being too advanced compared to TOS.

Wesley is Kirk until the next guy is Kirk, and that's how it works from now on.

 

[fireproof78]

Both TNG and DS9 did a good job of revisiting the TOS while staying respectful to the source material. That's partially why those two episodes are so fondly remembered. Even Enterprise was able to make a cool looking ship and bridge that didn't look like it was more advanced than TOS. However once the Kelvin movies and Discovery came out, that ship pretty much sailed.

Do you think a full show like that would sell to a general audience?

 

[gvn2fly]

Too bad this is a show about the 23rd century (thereabouts.) See also why I consider TOS a dramatic recreation and not literal history.

Am I the only one who just considers TOS, SNW, etc... TV shows? I don't want or expect a Nurse Chapel portrayed in 2023 to act like Nurse Chapel in 1966. She won't be treated that way because of how female characters were portrayed then vs now. I don't want Chapel to be portrayed like she was in the 60s. I don't feel like I have to twist my head into knots trying to figure out how Chapel in SNW became like Chapel in TOS.

 

[fireproof78]

Am I the only one who just considers TOS, SNW, etc... TV shows? I don't want or expect a Nurse Chapel portrayed in 2023 to act like Nurse Chapel in 1966. She won't be treated that way because of how female characters were portrayed then vs now. I don't want Chapel to be portrayed like she was in the 60s. I don't feel like I have to twist my head into knots trying to figure out how Chapel in SNW became like Chapel in TOS.

Apparently it's a minority opinion.

 

[ichab]

Because those 90s episodes were one offs and not an entire series set in that time period trying to attract new audiences.

I doubt Paramount/CBS/Viacom whoever it was back then would have green lit a TOS era show looking like those episodes back then.

And you would be correct because back then whenever Hollywood wanted to milk a franchise they created sequals. Prequals didn't really become a thing until Lucas opened that can of worms with the TPM. I love SNW, but this entire problem could have been avoided if they gave all these characters different names and set the show after Nemesis. It wouldn't have harmed any of the stories they are telling and no one would have drawn any connections to the TOS timeline because none of them look or act like their 60s counterparts.

 

[Dukhat]

I don't feel like I have to twist my head into knots trying to figure out how Chapel in SNW became like Chapel in TOS.

Or how the SNW Enterprise suddenly turns into the TOS Enterprise inside and out in only five years. That's why it makes more sense to treat SNW/DSC as reboots where events happen to be very similar but the window dressing of visual and cultural aesthetics are severely different. Do you really expect Paul Wesley's KIrk to try to seduce 19 year old Lenore Karidian just in order to get information about her dad?

 

[fireproof78]

Do you really expect Paul Wesley's KIrk to try to seduce 19 year old Lenore Karidian just in order to get information about her dad?

Yes.

 

[Dukhat]

Yes.

Anyone besides ‘Mr. Sarcastic?’

 

[fireproof78]

Anyone besides ‘Mr. Sarcastic?’

That was genuine.

You can tell by my face.

 

[Captain Jollydark]

Both TNG and DS9 did a good job of revisiting the TOS while staying respectful to the source material. That's partially why those two episodes are so fondly remembered. Even Enterprise was able to make a cool looking ship and bridge that didn't look like it was more advanced than TOS. However once the Kelvin movies and Discovery came out, that ship pretty much sailed.

Why would you want the old TOS set now for God's sake? Even the TOS set designers wouldn't want that now, not with a big budget and modern technology to back it up. This kind of nostalgia makes no sense to me. I LOVED TOS. I saw the first episode when it aired. I sure as hell don't want to see that set if I can have this one.

 

[Nerys Myk]

You can be respectful without slavish duplication or devotion.

 

[TerryTrek]

That's because the characters as presented in SNW aren't acting with '60's values and mores. One of the many reasons why SNW should have been a reboot, not a prequel, to TOS. TOS is a product of its time, warts and all. There's no reason why Mount's Pike needs to be the same guy who had a problem with women on his bridge.

I'll say this. There's one advantage to these producers operating under the premise that SNW is in continuity with TOS...

If SNW was a full-on Reboot, they would have gender-swapped many of the TOS characters. Probably set up Una as the next Captain of the Enterprise after Pike.

I appreciate that the Trek canon is somewhat reigning them in.

 

[Noname Given]

Or how the SNW Enterprise suddenly turns into the TOS Enterprise inside and out in only five years. That's why it makes more sense to treat SNW/DSC as reboots where events happen to be very similar but the window dressing of visual and cultural aesthetics are severely different. Do you really expect Paul Wesley's KIrk to try to seduce 19 year old Lenore Karidian just in order to get information about her dad?

Considering how it changed nearly instantaneously from the 2nd TOS episode aired - Charlie X, to how it looked in the 3rd TOS episode aired - Where No Man Has Gone Before, and then back again for episode 4 - The Naked Time, IDK why you think it's impossible for it to change over 5 years...

 

[Dukhat]

Showing episodes out of production order doesn’t count

 

[Noname Given]

Showing episodes out of production order doesn’t count

What is this 'production order' you speak of? In universe, everything happened in the order we the audience was shown on our TVs.
(If you wish to impose some other non-canon viewing order, that's your hangup.)

 

[ichab]

Why would you want the old TOS set now for God's sake? Even the TOS set designers wouldn't want that now, not with a big budget and modern technology to back it up. This kind of nostalgia makes no sense to me. I LOVED TOS. I saw the first episode when it aired. I sure as hell don't want to see that set if I can have this one.

I'll repeat what I've already posted..

I love SNW, but this entire problem could have been avoided if they gave all these characters different names and set the show after Nemesis. It wouldn't have harmed any of the stories they are telling and no one would have drawn any connections to the TOS timeline because none of them look or act like their 60s counterparts.

I have this same attitude with all franchises. If you're not going to respect canon or continuity, then don't do a prequal. Make it a sequal and you avoid all the straight jackets that come with trying to shoehorn your new ideas into an old concept.

I like Spock too, but he's been done already. Twice actually. I'm sure if you cast this actor as a new character he would make it his own the same way Tim Russ did with Tuvok and Jolene Blalock with T.Paul. This actress playing Nurse Chapel is REALLY good, but it would be even better if she wasn't suppose to be the same boring Nurse Chapel I know from TOS.

Why current Hollywood is so obsessed with changing established characters instead of creating new is beyond me. Rodenberry himself didn't do it when creating TNG. He could have, but he didn't. Instead he moved the show to seven decades later and created all new characters and that show became a hit in its own right.