Spoilers Episode Three Sneak Peek

[TerryTrek]

I love this idea that trauma is dealt with by the end of an episode. Pike wasn't himself. That's in the text.

It was dealt with. Boyce even acknowledged how much better Pike appeared. It's Pike's actual personality in the Cage;

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He's a stern, closed off, militaristic Captain. That's his style.

True and right inside my expectations for characters to not behave exactly the same as before due to being at different stages of life.

You know, like those damn people do all the time in real life. Stupid people and their stupid stupidness.

They won't be getting TOS personality transplants, especially the women. Under this production team, that would be considered politically regressive.

 

[fireproof78]

It was dealt with. Boyce even acknowledged how much better Pike appeared. It's Pike's actual personality in the Cage;

Right. That's how trauma works. Damn Star Trek.

They won't be getting TOS personality transplants, especially the women. Under this production team, that would be considered politically regressive.

No, but I can see them becoming a variation of and closer to their TOS counterparts than they currently are in SNW. Again, people fucking change.

I know this is hard with fictional characters, especially in Star Trek where no one so much as tries to get a higher rank, but people change. I expect it. I prefer it in my fiction because that's what real life is like. If I wanted a fantasy I would go read fan fiction.

 

[TerryTrek]

Right. That's how trauma works. Damn Star Trek.

It works within the context of a 60s episodic TV show. We got a good baseline for how Hunter would play Pike there. I've seen most of Hunter's other films, and he was a good fit for Gene's stern, militaristic Captain.

Nimoy spoke about Hunter's internal take on Pike versus Shatner's more lighthearted, extroverted approach, and how Nimoy had to adjust his own acting choices accordingly.

No, but I can see them becoming a variation of and closer to their TOS counterparts than they currently are in SNW. Again, people fucking change.

I know this is hard with fictional characters, especially in Star Trek where no one so much as tries to get a higher rank, but people change. I expect it. I prefer it in my fiction because that's what real life is like. If I wanted a fantasy I would go read fan fiction.

They'll be a variation for sure. Just not an organic transition to the 1960s versions of the characters. Like all of Wesley's scripted dialogue in the SNW S1 finale was very Jim Kirk. It was his performance, acting choices and delivery that ended up getting a divisive, lukewarm response.

Especially after Chris Pine injected so much energy into his young Kirk portrayal. We may yet get Wesley trying to do that this week.

 

[fireproof78]

It works within the context of a 60s episodic TV show. We got a good baseline for how Hunter would play Pike there. I've seen most of Hunter's other films, and he was a good fit for Gene's stern, militaristic Captain.

Too bad this is a show about the 23rd century (thereabouts.) See also why I consider TOS a dramatic recreation and not literal history.

They'll be a variation for sure. Just not an organic transition to the 1960s versions of the characters.

Strange with new actors. I would never expect variation in their performances.

Especially after Chris Pine injected so much energy into his young Kirk portrayal. We may yet get Wesley trying to do that.

I would not expect that. Wesley is fine as Kirk. The irritation is simply that Kirk is here at all.

 

[TerryTrek]

Too bad this is a show about the 23rd century (thereabouts.) See also why I consider TOS a dramatic recreation and not literal history.

Nothing in Trek is literal history. Though TOS as a dramatic recreation of Kirk's logs doesn't work. Plenty of instances when the 90s era threw back to 60s TOS within continuity;

Strange with new actors. I would never expect variation in their performances.

I would not expect that. Wesley is fine as Kirk. The irritation is simply that Kirk is here at all.

I'm good with Wesley playing the bland version of Captain Kirk either way. It just further disconnects SNW from TOS, and into it's own thing.

 

[fireproof78]

Nothing in Trek is literal history. Though TOS as a dramatic recreation of Kirk's logs doesn't work. Plenty of instances when the 90s era threw back to 60s TOS within continuity;

Sure it does, since it isn't literal history. It can work just fine.

Or not. Really up to the viewer.

I'm good with Wesley playing the bland version of Captain Kirk either way. It just further disconnects SNW from TOS, and into it's own thing.

It's always been its own thing. Yes, it is informed by TOS but the idea that Wesley being bland Kirk makes it unconnected is just...strange to me. I guess I'm just one of those odd people who behave differently sometimes around some people vs. others. I know, I know, I'm weird. If I had a dollar every time I heard that one.

 

[Tuskin38]

The holographic screen the time traveller used was the same ‘TCARS’ interface we saw on the Relativity in Voyager

 

[fireproof78]

I prefer 25th century PCARS.

 

[Mudd]

People will kvetch about Wesley because there has to be something to complain about - no other reason.

 

[SolarisOne]

People will kvetch about Wesley because there has to be something to complain about - no other reason.

Well, he's my favorite Kirk so far.

 

[Supervisor 194]

James Kirk is my favorite character in Star Trek.

When I was much younger, in the heyday of syndication and the early days of the movies, I voraciously read any Trek I could get my hands on and I really enjoyed getting to explore the character of Kirk in stories that went deeper than the tv show or movies. Not all the novels were great, or even good, but there was a sense of Kirk and Spock as characters that could be explored and developed in unexpected or unconventional ways. Kirk's character in particular had not yet been subsumed into Shatner's performance. Watching SNW takes me back to those days and I look forward to seeing what the writing team and Paul Wesley add to the character of Kirk, much as they have added to the character of Spock.

 

[NCC-73515]

 

[Dukhat]

Keeping in mind Pike, Spock, Chapel and Uhura also act drastically different than their TOS counterparts.

That's because the characters as presented in SNW aren't acting with '60's values and mores. One of the many reasons why SNW should have been a reboot, not a prequel, to TOS. TOS is a product of its time, warts and all. There's no reason why Mount's Pike needs to be the same guy who had a problem with women on his bridge.

 

[Jedi Marso]

I would not expect that. Wesley is fine as Kirk. The irritation is simply that Kirk is here at all.

Double irritation for me. I don't like Wesley's portrayal, and I think it does the whole show a disservice to see Kirk at all. The use of Uhura, Chapel, and M'Benga is bad enough.

 

[Noname Given]

That's because the characters as presented in SNW aren't acting with '60's values and mores. One of the many reasons why SNW should have been a reboot, not a prequel, to TOS. TOS is a product of its time, warts and all. There's no reason why Mount's Pike needs to be the same guy who had a problem with women on his bridge.

 

[Dukhat]

Roll your eyes all you want. I stand by what I wrote.

 

[Noname Given]

Roll your eyes all you want. I stand by what I wrote.

 

[Dukhat]

I guess you’re on some emoticon kick tonight? Alrighty then; I’ll play along.

 

[T'Bonz]

Don't get personal.

 

[ichab]

Maybe take a few minutes to look and see that before being snarky, junior.

I replied snark to a snarky comment, cupcake. If you can't take it, then don't dish it.