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DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

By now, you know there's a part of the movie-going audience itching to condemn any DCEU release.
I think at this point it's true of any superhero release, whether it's MCU or DC(E)U. Everyone who has seen every single release of both studios and are themselves tired of them want to be the first to prove superhero fatigue is a thing to everyone else and the genre is dead. Ant-Man saw the same and any number of others.

This one has a lot of different factors, fatigue, the Miller issues, bad CGI, an end to a dying franchise, mutliverse fatigue, bad script, death of cinema, lack of press, too male heavy, etc. etc. And for each one there's someone who is championing that it is the reason it's failing.
 
Yeah, I actually agree with you here, call the movie a failure when it hasn't even been out for a full weekend is incredibly premature.

Its wanting to say, "Ah! Another DCEU failure!" Different year, same rinse-and-repeat whining included.

But I'm assuming when they were creating the character, they started right off planning for it to last more than one issue, and no matter how long the series lasted, they had to no that the character was not going to stay exactly the same the entire time.

Unlike some (not meaning you) who know about as much about history as a lint trap, real creators of the period in question had no expectation of their new character lasting--the was no precedent for superheroes to base such a nonexistent belief on, and they certainly did not believe it would span generations with dozens of strangers all contributing to this lasting character.

Anyone attempting to sell the idea that early superhero creators were just gifted with such prescience either knows nothing about the creative process of those working in that period, or are showing their cult-like devotion to Weisinger's version of Superman (and that which he influenced), as if it was all expected to take on so many forms. Superheroes were a gamble at best in at the start of the sub-genre, with many losing out with new creations. For every Superman or Captain America, there were dozens of failures most have long forgotten. That gamble was not based on shaking the 1930s equivalent of the Magic 8-Ball and hoping the message read: "It Will Be a Success With Many Faces".

History did not unfold in that way.

I'm not talking about that exact version, just one that is closer to what people are used to seeing in the comics and other adaptations.

Really? If what you're saying held water at all, Burton's 1989 Batman (despite my own distaste for the film) would not have been the biggest film of the year, because up to that time, the world had been inundated--for 23 straight years--with the Dozier Batman TV series, running constantly to a wider audience than the comics. That was the Batman most John and Jane Q. Publics were familiar with, yet it did not harm the film at all. Audiences were looking for another kind of Batman--they had evolved with the times and did not give two craps about Dozier's series being emulated.

On the other hand, Superman Returns was a slavish tribute / sequel to the Salkind's Superman films (arguably a version people were used to seeing thanks to then-decades of home media releases), yet it was rejected for the very reason mentioned time and again: it was not 1978 any longer, and no one was looking for that kind of interpretation in the 21st century.

It is no wonder the "oohhh! It's s-s-so daaarrrk!" Man of Steel was a far more successful film, with Cavill's interpretation celebrated...to this day. Dwayne Johnson was not just being a salesman when he said Cavill was the Superman of our time.
 
Man of Steel was not that much more successful than Returns. Both movies were disappointing to WB. The difference being that TPTB decided to try to salvage Cavill and decided to dump Routh. Any other interpretation ignores the actual history.
 
All the doom and gloom. Where's the optimism? :techman:

The way I see it, WB is releasing these movies just to get them out there so they're over and done. They'll go to MAX and video and make whatever money they're going to make and write off the losses.

Next, James Gunn will do what he does. If it works, great. We'll all be happy (as far as that goes in the nerdverse) and the franchise will be profitable and everyone will dance and be happy.

Or not. :techman:
 
It will be interesting to see what DC does if the Gunn/Safran DCU continues this downward trend it looks like we're seeing for the DC movies. Will they just dump Gunn and Safran and all of their big plans if the first few movies aren't as successful as they hope, and do another reboot/revamp, or just give up on DC for a while and focus on something else?
 
It will be interesting to see what DC does if the Gunn/Safran DCU continues this downward trend it looks like we're seeing for the DC movies. Will they just dump Gunn and Safran and all of their big plans if the first few movies aren't as successful as they hope, and do another reboot/revamp, or just give up on DC for a while and focus on something else?
I think Warner Brothers will give them two films to make or break their new DCEU. And in wb's eyes anything under a billion dollars worldwide box office is a failure. I mean hell, Batman v Superman made $872 million worldwide, (and I'm not even a fan of that film as I didn't care for it myself), but WB execs were disappointed, and David Zazlov doesn't seem to have a lot of patience.
 
https://www.joblo.com/james-gunn-calls-gene-hackmans-lex-luthor-corny/

I have to say, I agree with him. Was never a fan of Hackman's Luthor.

Great performance, terrible character. One of the weakest screen versions of Luthor in conception, a glorified real estate swindler unable to collect better henchpeople than one idiot and one sexpot. Ross Webster in Superman III was a better Luthor than the movies' Luthor was.

Anyway, that article's headline is wrong. Gunn called Hackman's Luthor campy, not corny. I miss the days when news articles had to go through editing and error-checking before being published.
 
Batman v Superman made $872 million worldwide, (and I'm not even a fan of that film as I didn't care for it myself), but WB execs were disappointed

That's down to two main factors,
a) by 2016, they'd seen Avengers, Iron Man Three and Age of Ultron all walk it past a $1B theatrical gross.
b) they'd piled a heck of a pile of money into it and were expecting it to launch their own set of films (which they'd already announced up to 2028/19 or so) walking it past $1B theatrical runs.

That's like betting on a horse based on it's name, going to watch the race and finding out it's only got three legs. And is blind.
 
That's down to two main factors,
a) by 2016, they'd seen Avengers, Iron Man Three and Age of Ultron all walk it past a $1B theatrical gross.
b) they'd piled a heck of a pile of money into it and were expecting it to launch their own set of films (which they'd already announced up to 2028/19 or so) walking it past $1B theatrical runs.

That's like betting on a horse based on it's name, going to watch the race and finding out it's only got three legs. And is blind.

Also C) the movie cracked 400m on opening weekend alone. It was in the top 5 highest opening weekends ever. The hype and anticipation for it were off the charts. The fact that audiences hit the brakes so fast that it didn't even reach 900m let alone 1b very clearly was a disappointing result for a movie with so much excitement behind it.
 
Also C) the movie cracked 400m on opening weekend alone. It was in the top 5 highest opening weekends ever. The hype and anticipation for it were off the charts. The fact that audiences hit the brakes so fast that it didn't even reach 900m let alone 1b very clearly was a disappointing result for a movie with so much excitement behind it.

And D) This was the first cinematic meeting of Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman!!!! How could this NOT have made a gazillion dollars?!
 
He literally was being a salesman. That's exactly what he does.

..and yet his statement was true. It can be both things.


Oh, so it's time for the "Hackman's Luthor" discussion again? Okay, let me just brush up on my notes ... right, here we go: Hackman's Lex was fuckawesome, and you people are nuts.

Gene Hackman is one of cinema's great actors--one of my favorites, but his Luthor was the polar opposite of what anyone would envision as a worthy threat to Superman in his debut film. He's calculating, but his plan was absurd--even for a comic book movie--and his entire plan was about as believable as the C.O.N.T.R.O.L. vs K.A.O.S. antics on any episode of Get Smart. Moving Luthor closer to his then-comic book counterpart--or using Braniac (with another actor) would have been the way to go.
 
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