Expect a quick announcement to distract attention away from The Flash.
DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond
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Expect a quick announcement to distract attention away from The Flash.
I think most people today would base their template for Superman more on Christopher Reeve than on the 1938-9 comics. Even the comics from the '80s onward have been heavily influenced by the Donner movies. Certainly the usual modern version of Lois, a prizewinning superstar reporter by the time Clark first shows up, began with Margot Kidder; in the older comics, Lois was the "girl reporter" who had to fight to be taken seriously and kept getting upstaged by Clark because he cheated to scoop her on Superman stories. Also the modern portrayal of Jimmy Olsen as a photographer instead of a cub reporter began with the movies. Throw in the constant reuse of the movies' crystalline design for Kryptonian tech and architecture, and that version of Superman has really had an outsized influence on later portrayals.
We finally began watching the latest season of Marvellous Mrs Maisel last night and I was thinking that I’d love to see Rachel Brosnahan as Lois in a retro Superman movie. She’d be great in a modern one too, of course, but would love to see her in one with screwball comedy type dialogue in the newsroom.
By now, you know there's a part of the movie-going audience itching to condemn any DCEU release. The series is dead and buried in any case (despite the forthcoming Aquaman sequel), so at this point, jumping on the "its a failure" train means nothing to a series with no future.
Again, where are you getting that from? Evidence? Moreover, your:
"Any writer who creates a character for an ongoing series is going go in aware that the character is going to change and grow as the series goes on."
Creativity does not work that way. You assumed creators knew their project was going to be an ongoing series, when 1930s the barely-born superhero comic sub-genre had no such business structure to base such a hope on. They were lucky a single issue made it to print, a bit luckier if it made it to three or four issues, so the idea--your idea--that the creators knew the character would be an ongoing series, therefore (as you projected earlier) forecast unknowable changes over the course of time by innumerable people in various forms of media is historically false...in the extreme, all to push your I-hate-non-Santa-Daddy-Superman narrative.
Again, you hypocritically steer that idea toward what you want...despite it being several generations old...like the Salkind version, yet the audiences--the fans you believe existed with a particular idea about a character / allegedly seen the most--wholly rejected Singer's on-bended-knee tribute to all things Salkind in the form of Superman Returns. The Salkind-ites got exactly what they wanted...but movie goers were not and are still not desiring that kind of Superman.
...or one from a cartoon which made its debut 50 years ago, or a movie released 45 years ago. The Super Friends and the Salkind's interpretations stopped being relevant in the century of their creation. Singer did not understand that (or care to), and the poor reception was his lesson / reward, one shared by the Santa-Daddy Superman advocates.
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"...All this has been written before and will be written again..."
"...All this has been written before and will be written again..."
Of course, now I fully expect him to leave due to "scheduling conflicts" or some other excuse once we're a few months down the line.
Aquaman was the DCEU's one billion dollar plus worldwide box office success.
The first DCEU Wonder Woman and Batman versus Superman both made $800 million plus in the worldwide box office;: and the WB execs were still disappointed with Batman versus Superman's performance because hey, these were the two most popular DC Comics heroes...*
*- plus the first DCEU appearance of Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman. The latter is probably the only reason it made $800 million plus because most people loved her scenes in the film.
And currently while The Flash isn't cratering at the box office as bad as Shazam Fury of the Gods, it's probably going to be lower (projected domestic opening weekend of 60 million), then the opening weekend Box Office performance of Black Adam which made 68 million domestically on its opening weekend.
Maybe not. I saw it pointed out on Twitter that Muschietti was probably picked for TB&TB because he was the only director who was enough of a team player to get The Flash actually finished in spite of all the executive micromanaging, to stick with it when everyone before him had walked away from the film. https://twitter.com/Darren_Mooney/status/1670029096724623364
We live in a very social media/quick quick/ short attention span world. If the movie didn't blow the doors off right out of the gate then it has a very low chance of picking up the momentum it lost.
Everything is down hill after the first 3 days in terms of profit making
Which are even worse than the already awful predictions. And you can expect the now standard 60-70% drop for week two. This might well end up on the list of al-time biggest failures.
https://variety.com/2023/film/news/the-flash-box-office-disappoint-pixar-elemental-flop-1235647927/
Quite possible it won't even hit 300 million worldwide.
Yeah, I actually agree with you here, call the movie a failure when it hasn't even been out for a full weekend is incredibly premature.
But I'm assuming when they were creating the character, they started right off planning for it to last more than one issue, and no matter how long the series lasted, they had to no that the character was not going to stay exactly the same the entire time.
I'm not talking about that exact version, just one that is closer to what people are used to seeing in the comics and other adaptations.
A retro Superman movie?
Yep. Only someone with no creative experience would expect a creation to remain permanently unchanged from its earliest conception. You want to learn from experience and find ways to make your work better over time. The people who assume they have it perfect from the get-go are the people who will never sell their work because they don't know how to listen to criticism and learn to do better.
I’d love to see one in the 1930s-1950s. I know it won’t happen but doesn’t mean I can’t imagine it.
(In fact, I’d have settled for Bryan Singer making Returns a total sequel to the Reeve movies and setting it in the late 1970s or early 1980s)
Ouch. $13 million less than Black Adam made on its opening weekend if these projections hold:
Deadline: The Flash’ Falls Down With $55M 3-Day Opening: Here’s Why
https://deadline.com/2023/06/box-office-the-flash-bomb-elemental-1235419478/
Deadline: The Flash’ Falls Down With $55M 3-Day Opening: Here’s Why
https://deadline.com/2023/06/box-office-the-flash-bomb-elemental-1235419478/