Jenna Mitchell - hey, wait a second...

[hbquikcomjamesl]

I saw on greys anatomy once a lady with two uteruses, who was carrying a baby in each, conceived three months apart, from two different men.

That struck me as so unlikely that I looked it up. It's actually possible, and it apparently was in an episode. Never seen the series. But what does it have to do with this thread?

"Glitter is the herpes of arts and craft."

Damn straight! And as I say when anybody even talks about using it on a cake, "Disco dust is not good eats!"
And now, I'm the one going off-topic.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

As an Asian man myself, I did not care for the casting of Kyle that changed his TOS nationality and supposedly was meant to represent us.

Damn straight! As I suggested in another thread, Pitcairn's assistant in "The Cage" (the fellow who was dubbed "Sam Yamata" in TrekLit) was Asian; far more credible to have him take over after Pitcairn either retired or died.

 

[Enterprise1701]

It's entirely possible she's a sibling or cousin.
We really don't know anything about Gary Mitchell's family and very little about his past.


(why should Spock be the only one with popup relatives)
(it wasn't until the Wrath of Khan that we found out Scotty had a sister and nephew)

Perhaps, but I resent the notion of starting off non-white characters' value by grafting them as a relative of a legacy white character even when they look nothing alike and could not be related biologically.

If taken literally, then all the Kurtzman-era Asian characters with Euro / Anglo-sounding names in the Federation era exist because they all gave up their ancestral naming traditions due to a proliferation of cross-ethnic adoption, interracial marriage, or some other cultural movement. What's wrong with Asian names and plain biological Asian families?

Now this could go on for ages in another thread, but I am also a critic of the initial DIS planning strategy of making Michael Burnham the sister of Spock who was never mentioned across decades of stories but still had to be a meritorious protagonist in some fashion for the sake of a television plot. But in the case of her and Worf, I am very glad they did not do the lame cliché of overriding their birth names just to show adopted familial affection. I hated when TNG had Ro Laren explain some Bajorans adjusted their names when migrating to the Federation even as Worf never had to adopt an Anglo-style surname for Federation bureaucracy.

 

[DaveyNY]

You do realize that they could be step-siblings, right?
Or even possibly adopted.

I understand your objections, but you really are going off the beaten path to lament something from a TV show.

 

[fireproof78]

Or unrelated at all.

I just don't think it matters all that much.

 

[Dukhat]

SNW is not a reboot.

It’s a fictional TV show. I can interpret it any way I feel like. Mount’s Pike is not the same guy who isn’t used to having women on the bridge.

 

[Guy Gardener]

That struck me as so unlikely that I looked it up. It's actually possible, and it apparently was in an episode. Never seen the series. But what does it have to do with this thread?


Damn straight! And as I say when anybody even talks about using it on a cake, "Disco dust is not good eats!"
And now, I'm the one going off-topic.

How Jenna and Gary can almost be the same person is that a different sperm wins the race to the same egg multiversally is that they have different fathers of different nationalities.

How Jenna and Gary can be twins, which is still what you call two kids born inside the same 12 month period, in the same universe, despite one seeming Irish Catholic, and the other seeming Chinese, is if a white mum had two uteruses whereafter an Irish Catholic guy inseminates an egg in one uterus and a Chinese guy impregnates the egg in the other uterus within days of each other.

 

[Nerys Myk]

How Jenna and Gary can almost be the same person is that a different sperm wins the race to the same egg multiversally is that they have different fathers of different nationalities.

How Jenna and Gary can be twins, which is still what you call two kids born inside the same 12 month period, in the same universe, despite one seeming Irish Catholic, and the other seeming Chinese, is if a white mum had two uteruses whereafter an Irish Catholic guy inseminates an egg in one uterus and a Chinese guy impregnates the egg in the other uterus within days of each other.

More of a Scots or English name. Not sure if Gary practiced a particular religion.

 

[Enterprise is Great]

Does the SNW Kyle have an English accent like the TOS Kyle? I don’t remember.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Does the SNW Kyle have an English accent like the TOS Kyle? I don’t remember.

He does not. I assume his accent is Canadian

 

[Guy Gardener]

More of a Scots or English name. Not sure if Gary practiced a particular religion.

Its what they called Jack Kennedy, so its what Kirk is, and Gary is Kirk's contemporary, even if zero religions made it out the otherside of World War 3 and first contact.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Its what they called Jack Kennedy, so its what Kirk is, and Gary is Kirk's contemporary, even if zero religions made it out the otherside of World War 3 and first contact.

Kirk is also a Scots name. Where are you getting Irish from? Not every young dashing chap of a certain age in the 60s is Irish. James Bond sure isn't.

 

[ussrowe]

Jenna Mitchel is Gary Mitchel's wife and Chief Kyle is Lt Kyle's husband.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Not every young dashing chap of a certain age in the 60s is Irish. James Bond sure isn't.

Except for in Golden Eye and the few movies after it

 

[Guy Gardener]

Kirk is also a Scots name. Where are you getting Irish from? Not every young dashing chap of a certain age in the 60s is Irish. James Bond sure isn't.

Shatner is Jewish Canadian.

Besides, with a middle name like Tiberius, maybe he's Italian American?

 

[C.E. Evans]

I think some people insist too much that a person of a certain nationality or ethnicity should always have a name that matches that (all Asian characters should have Asian names, all Latino characters should have Latino names, etc.). Given names and surnames do get around and sometimes cross racial lines for various reasons. I'm African-American, but my real name is German as hell. More than once, people who only know me by name are surprised when I show up in person. As I said, names get around sometimes, and I believe that's true for both Lieutenant Mitchell and Chief Kyle. Maybe farther up their respective family trees, they had plenty of ancestors with traditional Asian names, but after a few centuries, well...

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

I think some people insist too much that a person of a certain nationality or ethnicity should always have a name that matches that (all Asian characters should have Asian names, all Latino characters should have Latino names, etc.). Given names and surnames do get around and sometimes cross racial lines for various reasons. I'm African-American, but my real name is German as hell. More than once, people who only know me by name are surprised when I show up in person. As I said, names get around sometimes, and I believe that's true for both Lieutenant Mitchell and Chief Kyle. Maybe farther up their respective family trees, they had plenty of ancestors with traditional Asian names, but after a few centuries, well...

Well if that's the route Star Trek want to go then they should also have white people called Park Ji-sung or whatever as some other sci-fi does.
I don't think it's a problem to have an Asian character named Kyle but it's worth being careful that it's not every Asian (or whatever) character.
Another common hole sci-fi can fall into is having characters backgrounds match looks based on 20th century stereotypes eg. all the Irish characters are pasty white guys or all the Asian characters are from China/Japan etc. I used hang out with a black Irish actor who could never get work as an Irish person. Was often asked to speak in his "real" (Nigerian) accent (his actual real accent was Dublin just like Colm Meeney)

 

[C.E. Evans]

Well if that's the route Star Trek want to go then they should also have white people called Park Ji-sung or whatever as some other sci-fi does.

Doesn't mean that they don't exist though.

I don't think it's a problem to have an Asian character named Kyle but it's worth being careful that it's not every Asian (or whatever) character.

I think it's just a case that SNW cast two characters of Asian descent with Caucasian-sounding names and a few people are losing their minds about it. Whether it was a conscious choice by the producers or simply they hired two actors who they liked may be irrelevant if some don't believe such an occurrence with two characters in the same show is possible (one was bad enough, two is totally breaking the bank?).

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Doesn't mean that they don't exist though.

I think it's just a case that SNW cast two characters of Asian descent with Caucasian-sounding names and a few people are losing their minds about it. Whether it was a conscious choice by the producers or simply they hired two actors who they liked may be irrelevant if some don't believe such an occurrence with two characters in the same show is possible (one was bad enough, two is totally breaking the bank?).

There is a thread about it here that I found fairly convincing that goes much broader than those 2 characters and SNW.

 

[Noname Given]

You do realize that they could be step-siblings, right?
Or even possibly adopted.

I understand your objections, but you really are going off the beaten path to lament something from a TV show.

Or they could not be related at all. I mean hell we have Jean-Luc Picard a person supposedly born in France, yet he has a thick recognizable British accent.

My point? For all we know the Kyle depicted in TOS was born in Africa of the 23rd century; and the Kyle depicted in S&W could have been born in Mexico.