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Did someone finally point out to them that having a film with a jewish actor playing the villain called NWO mightn't be the best idea?
Honestly, I'm surprised the name last as long as it did.
Of course, Brave New World brings on all sorts connotations of its own.
Edit: Here's the official tweet of the title change, along with a new image on set. Based on the chairs, the title change happened awhile ago. I wonder why it took them this long to announce it.
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Chris Hemsworth on "Love & Thunder" in a new interview in GQ:
“I cringe and laugh equally at it. I think we just had too much fun. It just became too silly, It’s always hard being in the centre of it and having any real perspective."
Where was Feige or anyone else with the power to say No to Waititi when the movie was being made? I still can't wrap my head around him being allowed to cut out the scenes of Jane becoming Thor that they shot just to cram in more unfunny "jokes".
“I cringe and laugh equally at it. I think we just had too much fun. It just became too silly, It’s always hard being in the centre of it and having any real perspective."
Where was Feige or anyone else with the power to say No to Waititi when the movie was being made? I still can't wrap my head around him being allowed to cut out the scenes of Jane becoming Thor that they shot just to cram in more unfunny "jokes".
To each their own. I largely loved Love and Thunder, jokes and all.
Yeah, I know I'm in the minority, but it also goes to show Waititi does have an audience and that's what Feige was trusting.
Yeah, I know I'm in the minority, but it also goes to show Waititi does have an audience and that's what Feige was trusting.
I think that the mistake with Love & Thunder was letting Waititi write it. He did a great job with Ragnarok (minus a few moments, like killing off the warriors 3 like they were nobodies), but since he didn't write it the film was still able to have serious and heartfelt moments without undercutting them with bad comedy, and honestly just the humor in general was better. Love & Thunder was seemingly just unrestrained (or mostly unrestrained) Waititi, and honestly I don't think he's good at writing stuff that isn't a complete farce.
James Gunn showed how to mix comedy with real character moments very well in the GotG movies, but I think that Waititi is either incapable or unwilling to write that way, and it really dragged down Thor L&T, at least in my opinion.
James Gunn showed how to mix comedy with real character moments very well in the GotG movies, but I think that Waititi is either incapable or unwilling to write that way, and it really dragged down Thor L&T, at least in my opinion.
I had issues with Love and Thunder, but the comedy was pure Taika Watiti, so the bad jokes didn't bother me. Awkward jokes which have a "record-scratch" like impact on narrative is kind of his bread and butter.
I had way more issues with the completely useless second act, TBH.
He wrote Jojo Rabbit, which is pretty much a masterclass of combining comedy and serious, genuine character moments.
And personally, I still think L&T has a better balance between the two than Ragnarok, which never actually allows Thor to have any real emotional connection to all the shit that went down in Asgard while he was off on Sakaar.
I actually liked Thor: Love & Thunder better than Thor: Ragnarok. In Ragnarok, the balance felt off, like Waititi just cavalierly rushed through the serious, tragic moments so he could get to the next quirky joke scene, so the whole thing lacked weight and felt superficial. I felt that in L&T, there was a better balance between the serious and humorous elements.
I kinda liked Love and Thunder, but nowhere near as much as I'd liked Ragnarok. I think the Honest Trailer was a very honest appraisal of it, all the stuff in Ragnarok, only more of it! (Korg being a classic example)
Waititi shitting on the effects people nudged him down a bit in my opinion.
Waititi shitting on the effects people nudged him down a bit in my opinion.
downgrade.
Christian Bale was superb as the villain. The movie featured a great fight scene in the Shadow Realm. And I thought Chris Hemsworth had given all he could. Otherwise, I didn't care for "Love & Thunder".
Combine the two, Brave New World Order.
My issue with Love and Thunder is that they took two plots, each capable of holding their own, and merged them together. Either the Dying Jane one or Gorr would've been enough.
Frankly, I think the ending where an angry Zeus wants people to worship them again should've been the opening and Hercules as the villain instead of Gorr with Thor and Jane battling him instead.
Frankly, I think the ending where an angry Zeus wants people to worship them again should've been the opening and Hercules as the villain instead of Gorr with Thor and Jane battling him instead.
My problem with Ragnarok wasn't the jokes, it was the superficiality of everything else. Hela was one of the MCU's most one-dimensional villains, and nothing was done with her being Thor's sister, in marked contrast to the terrific Loki arc of the previous films. Most of the supporting cast was killed off cursorily, and because there were no viewpoint characters left to identify with, the scenes of Hela's conquest and destruction of Asgard carried little weight. There was only Karl Urban's character (Skurge, right?), whose character arc was conveyed almost entirely through wordless facial expressions.
I felt L&T handled its characters much better, especially Gorr, who was a much more well-drawn and nuanced villain.
I felt L&T handled its characters much better, especially Gorr, who was a much more well-drawn and nuanced villain.
I can't speak for Jojo Rabbit, but literally no part of Love & Thunder had any emotional weight for me, including Jane dying, and of course Gor was just terrible. Add that to the horrendously annoying side cast (including Heimdell's brat kid, Korg becoming intolerable, and Valkyrie becoming a joke) and just all the unfunny jokes just makes the movie irredeemable to me. It might be the MCU film I'd be willing to rewatch the least, I think I'd even rewatch Ant-Man & The Wasp or Eternals before I'd watch Thor 4. Love & Thunder takes storylines that I admittedly hated in the comics (Jane Thor-ster in general and Gor the God Butcher) and does them so badly I actually feel sorry for the source material, which I don't even like in this movie's case.
At least Ragnarok had Loki and Hulk, and actually made me care about Odin dying and the general plight of the Asgardians, plus Hela was awesome even if completely different from the comics.
I have to say I appreciate how the underrated Thor: The Dark World has exited conversation about the MCU’s worst now.