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I don't know if this thread is the place to vent about things like this, but after the utterly devastating news I've received today, I just feel I need to connect, to reach out. And, well, to vent. I'm trans, and have been transitioning socially for two years now, after a life-long soul searching centering on just why everything about me and my life felt off and strangely empty until I realized what it all meant. Unfortunately, the country I live in isn't exactly accommodating to people like me, and the one endocrinologist who is willing to provide gender-affirming care requires two separate professional opinions confirming our suitability for hormone replacement therapy, one from a clinical psychologist and one from a psychiatrist.

I've just gotten the first one, one that I've had high hopes for, feeling like I've been very confident about my identity as a woman, identifying the signs I've noticed in retrospect, the manifestations of my gender dysphoria, and the psychologist even saluted my "exceptionally high level of introspection" and my general good handling of psychological terms that they attributed to my social studies education as well as the literal decade I've spent in therapy at that point. I've read through it, and I'm just... completely devastated. She misrepresented every word I said, completely disregarded everything I've said about body dysphoria, my vivid recollections of dissociating when seeing a man's face in the mirror (and the overwhelming sensation of truly seeing myself for the first time ever when first seeing myself in make-up) or being disgusted by my body hair, my wide shoulders, my rectangular figure, and latched onto my social dysphoria, feeling disconnected from the boys my age growing up and only ever feeling any commonality with the girls, connected it with my answers to the questions about my childhood where I talked about how my sister and I have been routinely pitched against each other, and while any expressions of negative emotions from me led to being disciplined by my father, my sister was always appeased when she did the same. From these points, the psychologist reached the conclusion that I envy women because they're allowed to feel the emotions I have learned to completely repress in myself due to the emotionally distant environment I grew up in, and that led to me wanting to become like them; she ultimately suggested psychotherapy focusing on mourning my unfulfilled emotional needs, proposing that it might be the cause of me "wanting to change my gender" in the first place.

The same therapy I have spent a whole decade in with three separate therapists, without any apparent improvement (the only "improvement" being attributed to me learning to control my emotions even more tightly, lending an appearance of being more stable), with my last therapist even letting me go because I was deemed too emotionally repressed to be able to work through my trauma through psycotherapy. I just... I feel completely lost and hopeless. I don't know how to stand up from this. The life I want to live, the body I want to have, the brain I want to see free from this stupid testosterone haze reducing me to an emotionally suppressed half-alive state, all there, just out of reach, taunting me forever, without hope.
 
I don't know if this thread is the place to vent about things like this, but after the utterly devastating news I've received today, I just feel I need to connect, to reach out. And, well, to vent. I'm trans, and have been transitioning socially for two years now, after a life-long soul searching centering on just why everything about me and my life felt off and strangely empty until I realized what it all meant. Unfortunately, the country I live in isn't exactly accommodating to people like me, and the one endocrinologist who is willing to provide gender-affirming care requires two separate professional opinions confirming our suitability for hormone replacement therapy, one from a clinical psychologist and one from a psychiatrist.

I've just gotten the first one, one that I've had high hopes for, feeling like I've been very confident about my identity as a woman, identifying the signs I've noticed in retrospect, the manifestations of my gender dysphoria, and the psychologist even saluted my "exceptionally high level of introspection" and my general good handling of psychological terms that they attributed to my social studies education as well as the literal decade I've spent in therapy at that point. I've read through it, and I'm just... completely devastated. She misrepresented every word I said, completely disregarded everything I've said about body dysphoria, my vivid recollections of dissociating when seeing a man's face in the mirror (and the overwhelming sensation of truly seeing myself for the first time ever when first seeing myself in make-up) or being disgusted by my body hair, my wide shoulders, my rectangular figure, and latched onto my social dysphoria, feeling disconnected from the boys my age growing up and only ever feeling any commonality with the girls, connected it with my answers to the questions about my childhood where I talked about how my sister and I have been routinely pitched against each other, and while any expressions of negative emotions from me led to being disciplined by my father, my sister was always appeased when she did the same. From these points, the psychologist reached the conclusion that I envy women because they're allowed to feel the emotions I have learned to completely repress in myself due to the emotionally distant environment I grew up in, and that led to me wanting to become like them; she ultimately suggested psychotherapy focusing on mourning my unfulfilled emotional needs, proposing that it might be the cause of me "wanting to change my gender" in the first place.

The same therapy I have spent a whole decade in with three separate therapists, without any apparent improvement (the only "improvement" being attributed to me learning to control my emotions even more tightly, lending an appearance of being more stable), with my last therapist even letting me go because I was deemed too emotionally repressed to be able to work through my trauma through psycotherapy. I just... I feel completely lost and hopeless. I don't know how to stand up from this. The life I want to live, the body I want to have, the brain I want to see free from this stupid testosterone haze reducing me to an emotionally suppressed half-alive state, all there, just out of reach, taunting me forever, without hope.
As Commander Troi noted, this is exactly the place for you to vent. It is gut-wrenching to think that a group espousing freedom is so hellbent on destroying the freedoms of those not like themselves.

There's a future version of you who's proud you were strong enough...
 
I don't even know what to say, @SJGardner , other than I'm so very sorry this has happened, and I can't fathom why this psychologist would betray your truth at such a fundamental level.

As others have said, this is a perfect place to vent, and please feel free to do so here at any time. We are here for you!

I can only imagine that the prospect of starting over with another psychologist at this stage must feel awful, but I hope you are able to quickly find another therapist who can help you move forward on your journey.
 
My bad days are better than my good days even a year ago.

But I still hate my bad days.

I've had a few the last little while. Today especially. Before my bad days I don't sleep well (well, I never sleep well but I sleep much worse). Last night I got a grand total of 4 hours. And of course today I have a lot of anxiety with no specific trigger I'm aware of.

I'm not sure if not sleeping is causing the anxiety or if I'm not sleeping because the anxiety is already starting and I'm just not fully conscious of it yet. I wish I could tell, then I could act appropriately to try and limit effects.
That sounds rough, it's always hard when things get like that. A few years ago, I went through a period where I only got a couple hours of sleep a night if I was lucky.
I don't know if this thread is the place to vent about things like this, but after the utterly devastating news I've received today, I just feel I need to connect, to reach out. And, well, to vent. I'm trans, and have been transitioning socially for two years now, after a life-long soul searching centering on just why everything about me and my life felt off and strangely empty until I realized what it all meant. Unfortunately, the country I live in isn't exactly accommodating to people like me, and the one endocrinologist who is willing to provide gender-affirming care requires two separate professional opinions confirming our suitability for hormone replacement therapy, one from a clinical psychologist and one from a psychiatrist.

I've just gotten the first one, one that I've had high hopes for, feeling like I've been very confident about my identity as a woman, identifying the signs I've noticed in retrospect, the manifestations of my gender dysphoria, and the psychologist even saluted my "exceptionally high level of introspection" and my general good handling of psychological terms that they attributed to my social studies education as well as the literal decade I've spent in therapy at that point. I've read through it, and I'm just... completely devastated. She misrepresented every word I said, completely disregarded everything I've said about body dysphoria, my vivid recollections of dissociating when seeing a man's face in the mirror (and the overwhelming sensation of truly seeing myself for the first time ever when first seeing myself in make-up) or being disgusted by my body hair, my wide shoulders, my rectangular figure, and latched onto my social dysphoria, feeling disconnected from the boys my age growing up and only ever feeling any commonality with the girls, connected it with my answers to the questions about my childhood where I talked about how my sister and I have been routinely pitched against each other, and while any expressions of negative emotions from me led to being disciplined by my father, my sister was always appeased when she did the same. From these points, the psychologist reached the conclusion that I envy women because they're allowed to feel the emotions I have learned to completely repress in myself due to the emotionally distant environment I grew up in, and that led to me wanting to become like them; she ultimately suggested psychotherapy focusing on mourning my unfulfilled emotional needs, proposing that it might be the cause of me "wanting to change my gender" in the first place.

The same therapy I have spent a whole decade in with three separate therapists, without any apparent improvement (the only "improvement" being attributed to me learning to control my emotions even more tightly, lending an appearance of being more stable), with my last therapist even letting me go because I was deemed too emotionally repressed to be able to work through my trauma through psycotherapy. I just... I feel completely lost and hopeless. I don't know how to stand up from this. The life I want to live, the body I want to have, the brain I want to see free from this stupid testosterone haze reducing me to an emotionally suppressed half-alive state, all there, just out of reach, taunting me forever, without hope.
That sucks, it's always hard when someone who's supposed to be helping you doesn't.

/ I actually talked to a lady at the second stables I go by on my bike ride, and I was even able to ask her about one of the horses I've seen there that I was curious about. There's a mom and new foal there, and she saw me watching them and came over to talk to me.
I almost asked her if they were hiring, but I couldn't do it. If I see her or someone else there in the next few days, I'm gonna try and ask. Of all of the equestrian facilities I go by this the biggest and nicest, so it would probably be the best place to work.
I think over the last few weeks I've voluntarily talked to me most new people in a long time. Most of them have been pretty nice, so that does help me feel a bit better about doing it more often.
 
I don't even know what to say, @SJGardner , other than I'm so very sorry this has happened, and I can't fathom why this psychologist would betray your truth at such a fundamental level.

As others have said, this is a perfect place to vent, and please feel free to do so here at any time. We are here for you!

I can only imagine that the prospect of starting over with another psychologist at this stage must feel awful, but I hope you are able to quickly find another therapist who can help you move forward on your journey.
Agreed to all of the above. @SJGardner I have zero idea of what to say. I can only hope you find someone to give you that therapeutic support to help you find that hope again.

I think over the last few weeks I've voluntarily talked to me most new people in a long time. Most of them have been pretty nice, so that does help me feel a bit better about doing it more often.
Even if people are mean to me I just assume they're having a bad day. If they're strangers then nothing they say can be personal.
 
Thank you everyone for the kind words of support. They mean a lot to me. These are really hard times for me, feeling affirmed in my belief that the medical system isn't there to help me but rather to cover themselves and avoid taking responsibility for any pitfalls regarding a condition they don't know jack about. The medical gatekeeping of trans healthcare is an absolute travesty.
 
it is an unfortunate reality that medical care is more around illness management and putting things in to nice little cubbies and covering oneself from lawsuits. A friend of mine wants to be tested for autism, as well as adult AHDH and no practitioner will authorize it because those are "childhood illnesses" and can't be diagnosed at his age.

Some many different things happen just because people refuse to understand the impact on people.
 
it is an unfortunate reality that medical care is more around illness management and putting things in to nice little cubbies and covering oneself from lawsuits. A friend of mine wants to be tested for autism, as well as adult AHDH and no practitioner will authorize it because those are "childhood illnesses" and can't be diagnosed at his age.
What complete bullshit! I was tested for ADHD about 2 years ago.
 
it is an unfortunate reality that medical care is more around illness management and putting things in to nice little cubbies and covering oneself from lawsuits. A friend of mine wants to be tested for autism, as well as adult AHDH and no practitioner will authorize it because those are "childhood illnesses" and can't be diagnosed at his age.

Some many different things happen just because people refuse to understand the impact on people.
I was wondering about that with autism. My mom has suspected for a while that I might be autisic or have aspergers, but since I'm an adult I wasn't sure if they'd even be willing to test me. A lot of my issues seem to fit, and there's an austic guy who works and lives at one of the sanctuaries we follow, and my mom a lot of the stuff the guy who runs it says about dealing with him, is pretty close to what she goes through dealing with me.
 
this stream of life flowing thru my eyes and my being is all illusions .. I can not grasp on to anything that I can hold the ... the world spins with eddies and flows and I become lost in the echoes of thoughts and ideas ,,, let me be at peace, and find the wonder of serenity like a flower on a spring morning this memorial day.. ---

happy memorial day everyone.
 
I don't know if this thread is the place to vent about things like this, but after the utterly devastating news I've received today, I just feel I need to connect, to reach out. And, well, to vent. I'm trans, and have been transitioning socially for two years now, after a life-long soul searching centering on just why everything about me and my life felt off and strangely empty until I realized what it all meant. Unfortunately, the country I live in isn't exactly accommodating to people like me, and the one endocrinologist who is willing to provide gender-affirming care requires two separate professional opinions confirming our suitability for hormone replacement therapy, one from a clinical psychologist and one from a psychiatrist.

I've just gotten the first one, one that I've had high hopes for, feeling like I've been very confident about my identity as a woman, identifying the signs I've noticed in retrospect, the manifestations of my gender dysphoria, and the psychologist even saluted my "exceptionally high level of introspection" and my general good handling of psychological terms that they attributed to my social studies education as well as the literal decade I've spent in therapy at that point. I've read through it, and I'm just... completely devastated. She misrepresented every word I said, completely disregarded everything I've said about body dysphoria, my vivid recollections of dissociating when seeing a man's face in the mirror (and the overwhelming sensation of truly seeing myself for the first time ever when first seeing myself in make-up) or being disgusted by my body hair, my wide shoulders, my rectangular figure, and latched onto my social dysphoria, feeling disconnected from the boys my age growing up and only ever feeling any commonality with the girls, connected it with my answers to the questions about my childhood where I talked about how my sister and I have been routinely pitched against each other, and while any expressions of negative emotions from me led to being disciplined by my father, my sister was always appeased when she did the same. From these points, the psychologist reached the conclusion that I envy women because they're allowed to feel the emotions I have learned to completely repress in myself due to the emotionally distant environment I grew up in, and that led to me wanting to become like them; she ultimately suggested psychotherapy focusing on mourning my unfulfilled emotional needs, proposing that it might be the cause of me "wanting to change my gender" in the first place.

The same therapy I have spent a whole decade in with three separate therapists, without any apparent improvement (the only "improvement" being attributed to me learning to control my emotions even more tightly, lending an appearance of being more stable), with my last therapist even letting me go because I was deemed too emotionally repressed to be able to work through my trauma through psycotherapy. I just... I feel completely lost and hopeless. I don't know how to stand up from this. The life I want to live, the body I want to have, the brain I want to see free from this stupid testosterone haze reducing me to an emotionally suppressed half-alive state, all there, just out of reach, taunting me forever, without hope.

I have done a few of these evaluations, and it seems from what you presented here this psychologist is not properly trained and/or experienced in this kind of work.

Is there any kind of Trans network where you live? Other people who can recommend a Trans-friendly provider?
 
I have done a few of these evaluations, and it seems from what you presented here this psychologist is not properly trained and/or experienced in this kind of work.

Is there any kind of Trans network where you live? Other people who can recommend a Trans-friendly provider?
I don't really have anything specific yet, mostly spending Pentecost weekend to recharge mentally, but I guess my next step is seeking out the main local online trans community and look for some pointers there. Unfortunately, trans healthcare in Hungary is a complete legal Wild West, with nothing really codified about it (perhaps for the better... our government isn't exactly known for being LGBTQ-friendly), so I can only go by word-of-mouth. The one thing that's certain is that only private providers are feasible; state-run healthcare is really understaffed and underfunded, with waiting lists of several years, especially in outpatient care, and the risk that you get assigned to a doctor that's entirely clueless is still there. Ironically, this particular private provider was also recommended for me by a fellow trans person, but as it turns out, you can't choose which psychologist they assign you to. So it would perhaps be safer to seek out a specific psychologist instead of a clinic. As far as I know, the endocrinologist doesn't care as long as the opinion comes from a clinical psychologist. Of course, there might be other endocrinologists who might be willing to prescribe HRT, but I wouldn't get my hopes up; it's not exactly a well-known topic in such a conservative country such as mine, and I'm not keen on possibly ending up having to do what's basically self-medication with a rubber stamp in exchange for a bribe.

Of course, GenderGP still exists as well, but as a European for whom the entire concept of informed consent is truly alien, they sound just too good to be true until I've heard positive reviews from within the local community. Bottom line is, whichever route I'll choose, I'll hopefully know more after asking around online.
 
I was wondering about that with autism. My mom has suspected for a while that I might be autisic or have aspergers, but since I'm an adult I wasn't sure if they'd even be willing to test me. A lot of my issues seem to fit, and there's an austic guy who works and lives at one of the sanctuaries we follow, and my mom a lot of the stuff the guy who runs it says about dealing with him, is pretty close to what she goes through dealing with me.
There is a test that can be done by the person themselves

Paper:
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/B:JADD.0000022607.19833.00

Online version
https://psychology-tools.com/test/empathy-quotient

I tried it with one previously diagnosed Asperger's guy and a control, and someone people suspected might have Asperger's, but who never was tested. The control was at the peak of their controls, the one with the previous diagnosis was at the peak of their Asperger's, and the unknown guy was close to the Asperger's peak.

It's not a definitive diagnosis, but a good indicator.
 
There is a test that can be done by the person themselves

Paper:
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/B:JADD.0000022607.19833.00

Online version
https://psychology-tools.com/test/empathy-quotient

I tried it with one previously diagnosed Asperger's guy and a control, and someone people suspected might have Asperger's, but who never was tested. The control was at the peak of their controls, the one with the previous diagnosis was at the peak of their Asperger's, and the unknown guy was close to the Asperger's peak.

It's not a definitive diagnosis, but a good indicator.

What do you do with that information?

I definitely have issues with attention post having COVID. And I’ve heard I might be on the spectrum. But at the end of day, I don’t know what to do with that information.

I do find cardio helps with my attention issues post COVID. I can’t explain why.

But I have zero clue what to do with potentially being on the spectrum. Nobody really dealt with this stuff when I was in school in the 80s. What I have found helped is using the tool to read micro expressions. The guy that consulted for the old TV show Lie to Me has books and tools in this subject. It takes time to read them. But it makes me come across with more empathy. I can fake it now.
 
What do you do with that information?

I definitely have issues with attention post having COVID. And I’ve heard I might be on the spectrum. But at the end of day, I don’t know what to do with that information.

I do find cardio helps with my attention issues post COVID. I can’t explain why.

But I have zero clue what to do with potentially being on the spectrum. Nobody really dealt with this stuff when I was in school in the 80s. What I have found helped is using the tool to read micro expressions. The guy that consulted for the old TV show Lie to Me has books and tools in this subject. It takes time to read them. But it makes me come across with more empathy. I can fake it now.
Sometimes it's just helpful to be able to have something to wrap your own mind around. Autism as a spectrum (rather than various levels like Aspergers and such) allows people to see some of the struggles while recognizing the potential to process information differently. I think a lot of people just want something to say "This. This is me" and it helps communicate their experience better.

Ultimately it might be information you need for yourself and a bit of validation for your own internal experience. There are a lot of things that I look back upon and realize they might be connected to some other mental health condition and that just informs my own efforts going forward.

ETA: clicking on the EQ link led me to Cambridge's Autism Research Center and it had an interesting article discussing links between depression and anxiety and leading to suicidal ideation/ thinking and the differences between people with autism and people without autism. Not a huge case study sample size, but it has some good graphs on the various pressures that can occur for people leading to negative thinking. Quite interesting, but you have to enjoy statics a bit and research articles: The role of anxiety and depression in suicidal thoughts for autistic and non‐autistic people: A theory‐driven network analysis (autismresearchcentre.com)
 
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The first part of your post is pretty much how I feel. It might not be an official diagnosis, but it's still a chance to say OK this is why I am the way I am, and if issues do come up it's at least something to point at, and say hey this says I'm on the spectrum.
There is a test that can be done by the person themselves

Paper:
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/B:JADD.0000022607.19833.00

Online version
https://psychology-tools.com/test/empathy-quotient

I tried it with one previously diagnosed Asperger's guy and a control, and someone people suspected might have Asperger's, but who never was tested. The control was at the peak of their controls, the one with the previous diagnosis was at the peak of their Asperger's, and the unknown guy was close to the Asperger's peak.

It's not a definitive diagnosis, but a good indicator.
I might have to give that a try.
 
I did something hard yesterday. I finally told my dad I’ve had suicidal ideation issues since the age of 12. I thought Mom had told him things. But he didn’t remember me being in therapy in 2010, and I told him why I did it the first time. It feels better that he knows about that.
 
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