Sounds like pure fan fiction to me.
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MA is weird like that. Their uniforms entries will list every variation and treat them like they “officially” co-exist. So a lot of sentences using “also”, “but” and “briefly.” Point for being through, I guess.
I know that artist John Eaves said in an interview that he designed it with the idea in mind that it would look earlier & more primitive than its TOS form, and that it could get refitted over the years between SNW and TOS to become the TOS version.
Though obviously that idea hasn't yet had the opportunity to become screen-canonized because at this point in the timeline on SNW it naturally hasn't happened yet. Eventually I expect the series finale will mention something about the Enterprise going in for refits.
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"If Memory Serves" kinda torpedoed that idea when they showed the Enterprise using clips from "The Cage."
Rod, I hope not.
Just because not every visual detail lines up doesn't mean they should be afraid of showing it, as if acknowledging the retcon is going to incur the wrath of some lore gods. None of the trek fans in production are going to say "oh no these two episodes nearly 60 years apart don't perfectly match up so we can't show it, hide Jeff Hunter, never show the Enterprise!" Many of these people are fans, they feel nothing to be ashamed about even if things have changed since then. It's just...reality!
Even with SNW's intention to retcon the Pike-era appearance of the Enterprise as a stepping stone to its later TOS appearance, it doesn't mean nobody can ever acknowledge the original episode again, that'd be silly. For Memory Serves they wanted to make a fun little "previously on" intro with decades in-between, because that's fun and unique. It really doesn't have to be any more complicated than that. There's a very different attitude between the people making this stuff and some of the fans that consume it, there are different priorities.
It's really only from the perspective of an enthusiast at home that the flashback even suggests any significant implications. I am certain nobody in production was intending its inclusion to serve as a statement about the ship's construction history. Just because the lore has moved forward since then doesnt mean anyone feels the need to pretend the past didn't happen. It did, and it's okay to acknowledge it. Plus, it's not like the "Previously On" was a holovid that Pike was watching in his quarters, it's a meta moment for the viewers' enjoyment anyway.
The intention for canon from those involved in production is that the SNW version later gets refitted into the TOS version, but nothing about that means anyone wants to hide TOS under the rug. Which has only become even more clear recently with a TOS Constitution appearing in Picard season 3. The two versions coexist peacefully in canon (even on the same show together as both have appeared in Picard), as long as you're willing to accept a minor retcon of a single story from 60 years ago and not make a mountain out of a mole hill about it!
What "intention?" Because Eaves thought so when he was doing work for STD four or five years ago? Work that the CG artists then changed?
I'm not sure how the 3d production modellers who have not made any comments about it either way have anything to contribute to this conversation. Eaves & partner don't design in a void, they get their direction from the production designer and showrunner.
Both the SNW version and the TOS version coexist in Picard. not a big deal for anyone willing to accept a minor retcon of a single story from 60 years ago and not be a stick in the mud about it.
Uh huh.
No one in charge has discussed a refit.
No one has suggested that Eaves was directed or encouraged to hold a "refit" in mind while designing the Discoprise.
Eaves work was redesigned to make it less like the TOS ship after he was finished.
Don't hold your breath for any real attempt to make this ship look more like the old version. I mean, who knows, maybe they'll stick balls on the rear of the nacelles or something.
That would be me. I also made one with the Constitution scaled down to 400 meters, which I actually prefer since it keeps it from being wider than the Excelsior without making the Excelsior as long as the Galaxy.
I found this, which seems to be the original. I didn't make it, so credit to whomever.
Fine work, sir. Credit where due.
Don’t understand the motivation to plant your flag in resistance to SNW fitting into canon rather than keeping an open mind and playing along with it, but it seems you’ve already made up your mind in such a way that your own interpretation takes precedence even over that of the trek veteran who literally designed it. so I’ll leave you beUh huh.
No one in charge has discussed a refit.
No one has suggested that Eaves was directed or encouraged to hold a "refit" in mind while designing the Discoprise.
Eaves work was redesigned to make it less like the TOS ship after he was finished.
Don't hold your breath for any real attempt to make this ship look more like the old version. I mean, who knows, maybe they'll stick balls on the rear of the nacelles or something.
I think it's more that people have an awful hard time believing that the show would transition from what we see currently, to what we'll call a..... somewhat dated appearance, both inside and out.
I don't see it happening.
I don’t think that’s a transition that’s ever going to happen on-screen during SNW, so it’s not something they’ll ever need to worry about! Like I said, at most we could get the implication at the conclusion of SNW that the ship is about to get a refit into its TOS appearance, with maybe schematics on a screen that look like the TOS externals, and that’d be the extent of it. No need to make Anson Mount strut around on a 60s set, just the implication that TOS is up next and leave it at that, nothing convoluted.I think it's more that people have an awful hard time believing that the show would transition from what we see currently, to what we'll call a..... somewhat dated appearance, both inside and out.
I don't see it happening.
I don’t think the question of why the prequel looks more advanced than the sequel is one that needs answering. I don't have a hard time believing that the ship goes from SNW to TOS because I haven't (yet) lost touch with reality, and I know there are obvious reasons for why things are the way they are. One was made 60 years before the other, and that’s nothing to be ashamed of. Just keepin it real.
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I never understand why after making up or coming to conclusions based on poorly-sourced or misunderstood statements people are sometimes so prone to dig in their heels...
Especially as no one in charge of anything on the show has suggested it...I think it's more that people have an awful hard time believing that the show would transition from what we see currently, to what we'll call a..... somewhat dated appearance, both inside and out.
I don't see it happening.
Yes, but Eaves never said that direction came from his superiors. In fact the wording says it was all his idea.
Yes, and then the production immediately changed the design that he did turn in.
I would have, as well.
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