Spoilers Would you consider the things that Matalas wanted to happen as canon?

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  1. Sci

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    I mean, if I had been writing ENT it would have been called the UES Enterprise, but it never received any such prefix canonically. Canonically, it's just Enterprise NX-01 -- same way the space shuttle launched in 1985 was just Atlantis OV-104, not the USS Atlantis.

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    For that matter, if I had a magic wand I'd make it so that Federation starship prefixes had ways been UFS Enterprise -- "United Federation Starship" -- rather than the ridiculously American-sounding "USS."
     
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  2. Lordcommanderdarkwolf

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    i guess it doesn't really matter
     
  3. Lordcommanderdarkwolf

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    maybe USS stands for United Federation of Planets starship not United starship or United spaceship.
     
  4. HotRod

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    Kirk actually identified himself as Captain of the United Starship Enterprise in "The Squire of Gothos." So that pretty much settles that.
     
  5. The Wormhole

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    These days, SOTL calendars seem to display almost exclusively ships from 1966-2005 and new designs made up by the artists who work on the calendars. That image is also the only one featuring Disco itself in any of the calendars, while a couple of other Starfleet ships from Disco were in last year's, the Shenzhou is in this year's and the Cerritos is in next year's. Ships from the Kelvin timeline were also only featured in one calendar.

    Indeed, one can't help but think the calendars might be aimed at the "gatekeeping crowd" given they virtually ignore any of the ships from the modern era in favor of giving up the 500th version of the Enterprise and the fighter jet from Tomorrow is Yesterday or yet another Enterprise sits in Spacedock every year.
     
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  6. Avro Arrow

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    We did, however, see it given a "USS" onscreen (for some reason).

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  7. F. King Daniel

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    Doug has flat out said he considered Discovery an alternate universe to Picard, despite Picard season one having the Disco/SNW Enterprise in it and Discovery season 4 reusing and referencing the ex machina from the end of Picard's first season.

    He's just a guy with an opinion that isn't shared by the ones making the big decisions.
     
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  8. Enterprise1701

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    I am amenable to the prefix E.S.S. used in a parallel reality cameo of the TNG novel Q&A.

    And as much as I absolutely adore Doug Drexler's design work, his opinion has been wrong for over 20 years due to the ENT showrunners' customisation of fictitious naval tradition, which I would have to agree is debatably cringeworthy in contrast to real-life consistency, but we are stuck with the unambiguous dialogue.
     
  9. Campe

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    Even though I'm not really a ship guy, I appreciate Doug's contributions to the designs of starships. I don't care about his opinions on Star Trek and what he believes may or may not be canon beyond that. He's certainly entitled to said opinions. But I'm entitled to think they're wrong.
     
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  10. Sci

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    I'm pretty sure that was just the scenic art person having a brainfart, since we know canonically that the ships did not have "USS" designations in-universe at that point in time.

    Would that stand for "Earth Star Ship?"
     
  11. cal888

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    Many people in the opposition use the argument that NuTrek just doesn't sell well in merchandising. The subsegments of the fanbase really into ships also tend to be heavy on continuity, so it makes sense.
     
  12. fireproof78

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    I mean, I would be curious to see that bear out. Every Christmas at my local Walmarts they order in a bunch of models, including several Star Trek Kits. And those kits vary from the NCC-1701-A to the Grissom and the Bird of Prey to the USS Discovery. Of the ones I saw sit the most I think I saw the Grissom and Reliant sit the longest.
     
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    I'm not sure any iteration of Star Trek does that well at merchandising. I probably see TOS stuff the most, and even then it's mostly goofy tchotchkes.
     
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  14. HotRod

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    The opposition? Opposition to what?
     
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    TruTrek.
     
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  16. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk A Spock and a smile Premium Member

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    Such loaded terms.
     
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  17. fireproof78

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    Too true.
     
  18. HotRod

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    This fandom..... sometimes it can really make you laugh. The opposition... lol. Makes it sound like a battle between good and evil.
     
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    Or worse. Politics.
     
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