Choice. Consequences.
Spoilers Would you consider the things that Matalas wanted to happen as canon?
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So the Dominion is entitled to torture Federation POWs as it sees fit? And those POWs don’t deserve a fair trial? Gotcha.
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Though an eye for an eye was meant as a limitation to punishment. An eye, not a life.
Not to the people loosing an eye.
But it's not limited to eyes. They kill someone. You get to kill someone on their side.
They already do. The better question is how do you punish the Federation for it's complicity?
Yeah, but the point is that the penalty is in proportion to the crime. No worse.
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Of course, another possibility would be that the Federation hand over its accused war criminals to some sort of third party who is trusted by both the Federation Alliance and the Dominion, Cardassians, and Breen to act as an honest broker in both the conduct of a fair trial and in the administration of a humane penal sentence. The Ferengi Alliance, the Talarian Republic, the First Federation, Luria, Freecloud, Orion, Tandar, or the Nyberrite Alliance all come to mind.
They kill Tasha twice, kill Sito just as she was about to prove herself, kill Shelby by throwing her an idiot ball and now they kill Ro because we haven't had enough heavy drama already. Season 3 of Picard was great, but it continued that ugly trend where the women just weren't living material. I'll be happy to accept Ro surviving that ordeal.
Not sure about Orion
but most of the others would work.I’m intrigued by the Nyberrite Alliance, actually. We know very little about them but they do seem like a genuinely neutral third party (they accept recruits from almost anywhere). If anyone can be trusted to be truly objective, they’d be right up there.
That said, I’m not holding out hope that anyone could be prosecuted for this. Vadic’s captor is dead, and I’m sure Section 31 managed to cover its tracks so that no one could trace it back to them.
But it still can’t hurt to try.
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Not sure about Orion
I mean, we know that an organized crime family called the Orion Syndicate operates, but we don't have reason to think it's condoned or controlled by the Orion government, any more than we have reason to imagine the Yakuza are condoned or controlled by the government of Japan.
That said, I’m not holding out hope that anyone could be prosecuted for this. Vadic’s captor is dead, and I’m sure Section 31 managed to cover its tracks so that no one could trace it back to them.
But it still can’t hurt to try.
Agreed.
I think its safe to say that Section 31 was able to pin the dirt on Sloane and walk away from the Dominion War in fine shape. Worf and Riker both talk about Section 31 in the present tense, not past tense, meaning they're still around, being secretive and stuff.
Thats how these things work, plausible deniablity.
Thats how these things work, plausible deniablity.
Indeed and that is Section 31's great power. People go "Oh, they exist only in secret," which is fine until you realize that it makes them like the Illuminati in conspiracy theory circles. Section 31 exists by creating false fronts and the verisimilitude of proper authority. If they overreach, then it gets pinned on whomever made that decision and they withdraw and reform behind a new front.
Shoot...it is the Illuminati!
It's not Terry Matalas. It's not even really "Picard" related. But here is a possible example of the question at hand; are behind the scene statements from those who worked on the show considered canon?
Doug Drexler made a Facebook post about the upcoming SOTL calendar and cutaway of his NX Refit and someone asked him about the NX designation.
Here was his response....
Now we've been calling in an NX Class for over 20 years. It was outright called an NX Class multiple times on the show.
So, who is in the wrong?
I do very much like Doug Drexler, and I absolutely love the NX-01. The refit, somewhat less....
But, in my humble opinion, he's wrong. Or atleast as wrong as you can be with an opinion. On screen is king, and on screen it was an NX Class Starship.
Doug Drexler made a Facebook post about the upcoming SOTL calendar and cutaway of his NX Refit and someone asked him about the NX designation.
Here was his response....
Now we've been calling in an NX Class for over 20 years. It was outright called an NX Class multiple times on the show.
So, who is in the wrong?
I do very much like Doug Drexler, and I absolutely love the NX-01. The refit, somewhat less....
But, in my humble opinion, he's wrong. Or atleast as wrong as you can be with an opinion. On screen is king, and on screen it was an NX Class Starship.
It's not Terry Matalas. It's not even really "Picard" related. But here is a possible example of the question at hand; are behind the scene statements from those who worked on the show considered canon?
Doug Drexler made a Facebook post about the upcoming SOTL calendar and cutaway of his NX Refit and someone asked him about the NX designation.
Here was his response....
Now we've been calling in an NX Class for over 20 years. It was outright called an NX Class multiple times on the show.
So, who is in the wrong?
I do very much like Doug Drexler, and I absolutely love the NX-01. The refit, somewhat less....
But, in my humble opinion, he's wrong. Or atleast as wrong as you can be with an opinion. On screen is king, and on screen it was an NX Class Starship.
Doug Drexler is just giving his headcanon here. Canonically, Enterprise NX-01 is an NX-class United Earth starship and that's all there is to it. We never saw it given an "S.S." onscreen.
Drexler is a good guy, but he gets very particular about how he thinks things ought to be done sometimes and tends to speak as though he has an authority over canon that he does not have. (He also tends to badmouth decisions he doesn't like if he wasn't involved in the production.)
Absolutely. Indeed, what Drexler is now saying contradicts something I think behind the scenes people were saying at the time Enterprise aired that the United Earth Starfleet did their classes and registries different. NX class is NX-01, NX-02 and so on in that order, while a hypothetical NY class would do their registries NY-01, NY-02 and so on in that order. Granted, this was never reflected on screen, and indeed I believe there were references to other ship classes with more "traditional" names throughout Enterprise.
Also, I have to call out Drexler's error that only the first five ships would be NX, as there was an NX-09, the ISS Avenger in the Mirror Universe.
Can't help but also notice a suspicious absence of the "Discoprise" in the SOTL calendars. With the exception of this painting from 2018, she hasn't been seen since.
I've made no secret that I'm a huge fan of this ship, so perhaps I'm more then a little biased, but to seemingly exclude her, rather purposefully, seems somewhat petty on the part of Drexler.
Or I'm looking to deeply at things and it's entirely in my head.
I've made no secret that I'm a huge fan of this ship, so perhaps I'm more then a little biased, but to seemingly exclude her, rather purposefully, seems somewhat petty on the part of Drexler.
Or I'm looking to deeply at things and it's entirely in my head.
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