Picard continuation to film
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Yep. I think the writing is on the wall with the Kelvin movies. It's a shame; Beyond was was really fun and I do like the cast, and there were some interesting ideas for a potential 4th movie but alas...
Always thought it strange that Beyond tied into ENT so strongly in places. (I mean, the Franklin is an NX-class ship if not for “20% different to be legally distinct” issues, isn’t it?)
Krall/Edison is a former MACO who fought the Xindi and the Romulans.
Yeah, no. An Enterprise shuttle appears in the movie too. That defeats any 20% legally different bullshit.
Yeah mate, I know. Saw the film. It’s the only Kelvin one I like enough to own on disc.
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This cast has gone out with a bang and a fantastic farewell that fixed the problems we've had with TNG post All Good Things. I'd rather they left it there. I'm not saying that these characters should never appear (ST Legacy), but as a group it was a perfect send off. I'm not sure there is much else to do with them as a group - is there anything still left in the air? I'm certainly not against seeing these characters again like we saw some of them in DS9/Voy but that's about it. I certainly don't want a repeat of what happened with Nemesis being a sour ending.
There is a very strong case to be made for letting the TNG story conclude with the love letter that was season 3 of Picard.
Personally, though, I love these characters and actors and would eagerly watch any new material with them. For that matter, I would love to see Shatner back for one more story. I doubt any of this will happen as the economics doesn't support it. But at this time in my life, the message of maybe you can go home again even briefly is very appealing.
Personally, though, I love these characters and actors and would eagerly watch any new material with them. For that matter, I would love to see Shatner back for one more story. I doubt any of this will happen as the economics doesn't support it. But at this time in my life, the message of maybe you can go home again even briefly is very appealing.
This is an urban legend and not documented anywhere. [EDITED TO ADD: not urban legend but we aren't entirely sure of the specifics or implications of required difference.]
Yes, exactly, I agree with this pretty much word for word. I think there's room for individuals or pairs of them (JLP/Bev, Riker/Troi, Data/LaForge or whatever) to appear in supporting roles or as quick fun cameos as would good for a story.
I find absolutist positioning like this frustrating. Who are you to decide? This is nothing more than your personal preference. I would be fine if we never saw them again as the ending was satisfying and the sour taste of NEM is gone. But if there is a good story that involves this cast that is begging to be told, or some writer comes up with something that will be good, well-made/executed and entertaining, then who are any of us to say it shouldn't happen? You, Sci, don't want it. Ok! But not everyone will feel as strongly about this as you do.
This is ultimately what it comes down to.
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... duh?
Plus, the cut a lot of corners by having a vast majority of the movie's sets be reused TNG sets.
As mentioned, that's an urban legend that has no basis in fact, but even putting that aside, the myth says that policy took effect with Disco and all TV productions going forward from there, so even if it were real (which it's not) it would not have been an issue for Beyond anyway.
No.
1) They went out on a good note (I didn’t like The Last Generation as much as others did, but it’s far above Insurrection and Nemesis). The TNG crew has had their closure. Going back to the well has diminishing returns.
2) A new series would offer ample scope to bring back some characters where appropriate without being bound to be centred around them.
3) Is there really that big a potential mainstream audience for a TNG film right now? They didn’t do especially well at the absolute peak of Trek/TNG’s popularity, and we’re a long way from that. Picard was the ninth most-watched original streaming show in the US for one week mid-season 3, and dropped off afterwards. That doesn’t really suggest there’s a sizeable audience clamouring for a big-screen continuation.
4) Given the timeframes for getting a film off the ground, particularly with the writers’ strike, is Sir Patrick really going to be able to make such a commitment?
1) They went out on a good note (I didn’t like The Last Generation as much as others did, but it’s far above Insurrection and Nemesis). The TNG crew has had their closure. Going back to the well has diminishing returns.
2) A new series would offer ample scope to bring back some characters where appropriate without being bound to be centred around them.
3) Is there really that big a potential mainstream audience for a TNG film right now? They didn’t do especially well at the absolute peak of Trek/TNG’s popularity, and we’re a long way from that. Picard was the ninth most-watched original streaming show in the US for one week mid-season 3, and dropped off afterwards. That doesn’t really suggest there’s a sizeable audience clamouring for a big-screen continuation.
4) Given the timeframes for getting a film off the ground, particularly with the writers’ strike, is Sir Patrick really going to be able to make such a commitment?
You’ve got a cast who is enthused and is in their element.
You’ve got a writer / showrunner who did in 10 episodes what thought to be impossible for past 20 years. (Revive the TNG era and thoughtfully correct all of the Nemesis funk)
I’ve always found it interesting how seemingly pessimistic some Trek fans can be. Sometimes you just gotta be open and think big.
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Also, I feel like TNG is kinda “in” these days again in a way that the TOS era has been for the past 10+ years.
You’ve got a writer / showrunner who did in 10 episodes what thought to be impossible for past 20 years. (Revive the TNG era and thoughtfully correct all of the Nemesis funk)
I’ve always found it interesting how seemingly pessimistic some Trek fans can be. Sometimes you just gotta be open and think big.
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Also, I feel like TNG is kinda “in” these days again in a way that the TOS era has been for the past 10+ years.
It was all "This is nothing more than your personal preference" deserved in response. Well, of course it's preference. That's all the question of, "Should we have a TNG cast reunion movie post-PIC S3?" is -- personal preference. You might as well say, "Well, that's written in the English language" for all that it's relevant.
Not an urban legend exactly. John Eaves and his crew were asked to make the design of the new Enterprise 25% different. Its even documented on some of his drawings! What is not true is that it was for 'legal reasons' - this seems to be something that Eaves inferred incorrectly (based on his understanding of what happened on other projects).
This is a direct quote from Eaves' subsequently deleted Facebook account.
"The task started with the guideline that the Enterprise for Discovery had to be 25% different otherwise production would have most likely been able to use the original design from the 60's but that couldn't happen so we took Jefferies original concepts and with great care tried to be as faithful as possible."
I realised that Eaves would probably delete the Facebook post (not his entire account!) and so I copied some of the chat, so the typos below aren't mine.....
"Scott Schneider Alex Rosenzweig and the 25% is typically the number used when making one product similar to another. It must be at least 25% different in order to avoid copyright infringement. This is common with many products. Ive also come up against this in the past when using inspiration from other ideas that were copyrighted. In fact back on coneheads we used Libbius woods designs for Remulak and production was threatened with a lawsuit because it was too close and we had to change the models "20-25% " to avoid a lawsuit. This is nothing new or exclusive to trek."
"Gabriel Charles Koerner Man, its just baffling, considering that CBS can sell the original Constitution Class design in form of toys, model kits, all manners of licensed merch... but it can't be included in new Trek TV productions?"
"John Eaves Samuel Cockings your asking the wrong guy. I only know there is a division of property and when the task at hand asks for 25% changes or a whole new design I know that what ever it is is not allowed to be used"
"John Eaves after Enterprise properties of Star Trek, ownership changed hands and was devided so what was able to cross show VS tV up to that point changed and a lot of the cross over was no longer allowed. That is why when JJ's movie came along everything had to be different. the alternate universe concept was what really made that movie happen in a way as to not cross the new boundries and give Trek a new footing to continue."
Thank you for posting this, I had not seen all of that.
The only thing I wonder at this point is if all of this was before the reintegration of Paramount/Viacom/CBS (I can't remember the exact specifics but I recall that that there was a divestiture and then a re-merger of studios/companies that own Trek) and that Gabe Koerner's point is a good one...
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