Exactly. Thank you.
Spoilers Did Picard finally ''right the ship'' with Picard season 3?
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One tendency across most of live action NuTrek has been to either consciously or inadvertently alienate a portion of the existing Star Trek fanbase, oversample a certain element of the existing fanbase, and attempt to go after new viewers in the gamble that new fans will more than replace the jettisoned fans (or even worse, the Kathleen Kennedy mentality that they're making this for "the future" not the present). There aren't reliable ratings to work with, so as to prove or disprove a point, people that have opposed NuTrek instead have to point to view counts on critical YouTube reviews, search trends, and review aggregators like Rotten Tomatoes.
It is much easier to defend the actions of a regime in power than it is to oppose their decisions. Anti-NuTrek people feel they probably aren't just isolated individuals that oppose the direction of Kurtzman Trek, but likely a sizable constituency that if organized correctly can influence the direction of the franchise moving forward.
Let's say I want more Terry Trek, and less Chabon / Paradise Trek. If I am in the majority on wanting more Terry Trek, then it's far harder to dismiss my opinion. If finite resources instead are being devoted to say Starfleet Academy, which only a small segment of the fanbase may want, then I and people that agree with me have some kind of standing to make a case.
If season 1 was so well popularly received, there likely wouldn't have been the massive changes that saw most of that season's plot points and characters jettisoned.
Season 3 is a major victory for the people that have been alienated by past live action NuTrek efforts. It demonstrates both that legacy style Star Trek can still be produced in the 2020s and be successful with audiences.
I can see this as well. I hated ST09, but it was commercially and popularly successful. But was it sustainable?
I hated 09 and ID, but I do give it credit for reigniting interest in the franchise. BEYOND, at least, was really, really good.
I don't think that was sustainable, though. At least, not as a series.
Yes.
Case for what? This is absurd. Share your opinions. This popularity contest garbage is smacking of 6th grade bullshit and I would like to belive that Trek could leave that behind. As it stands, it feels very juvenile and does tells not me nothing about what you like. Might as well say, "all the cool kids are doing it."
Why would any business consciously alienate a large portion of their own fanbase? What purpose would that serve?
I guess I'm just blissfully unaware because outside of a small group of people yelling on Youtube and Twitter, I can never seem to find the large swaths of Trek fandom that hates Discovery or whatever new Trek is out. Most of the hate I can find basically amounts to "this isn't TNG/DS9 so I'm screaming into the void".
Youtube, which basically thrives on people hating on everything, is not a reliable metric. Rotten Tomatoes isn't either when the reviews for season 3 are a way smaller sample than season 1. User ratings for IMDB are about the same across both seasons.
I want Starfleet Academy and judging by your beloved social media metrics, so do a lot of other people. There's room for SFA and a new 25th century show. It's not either or.
I'm still waiting to hear how it was a major victory outside of "we got to see everyone together and everyone was happy at the end". What great story beats and storylines did we get out this season? What great character work did we get? Please tell me outside of Troi and Riker, which as said before, was basically all on the actors and that season 1 had set them up a great arc.
I certainly hope so.
No idea who that is.
Obviously to invalidate your vast minority opinion
That seems to be the takeaway you're going with.In reality, I wasn't even addressing you with that post. You just interjected yourself in for whatever reason. Someone tossed the words "in your opinion" in there when I mentioned how well Picard S3 was received, and I clarified that wasn't speaking for my own views on the matter.
Well, no. The takeaway is that Season 3 is default good because it's popular.
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That's a nice sentiment. I loved Season 3. I could go into all the reasons why, but I've done that already in the review thread.
It's satisfying that the majority agree. I haven't seen Trek fans this united in a long, long time and that's a good thing. Especially if the showrunner wants us to be 'loud' for more in the future.
Often when something is popular, there are valid reasons as to why. While I don't think Matalas is the second coming, I think he is the most competent of all the Nu Trek showrunners, and has a good pulse on the fandom, and knows how to interact with them.
Star Trek is an experience best shared.
As for the rest?
"Death to the opposition. "
"Death to the opposition. "
It's a better outcome than it being divisive, controversial and disappointing like the previous seasons. I want Star Trek to be popular and well-liked by fans and audiences.
If one enjoys something, you want others to share that experience.
Ah, I didn't see your spacing. D'Artagnan died a satisfying death. Justice served.
Season 3 of Picard wasn't much different then any of the previous seasons of so called "NuTrek." (I really hate that term, but for the point of this post, I'll use it)
The only difference is the nostalgia overload of the cast of TNG being back together, with the Enterprise-D thrown in as well. They dangled the nostalgia carrot, and the masses ate it up.
But was the writing any better? Not really. Half of it was ripping off elements from other films and series, or taking character histories from films completely outside the franchise, as with Shaw.
Things that had previously driven certain segments of the fandom crazy, were excused because it was done involving a character they had a previous attachment too.
I cannot help but feel that had this plotline existed, but was exchanged with characters from Discovery, these same fans who are praising Matalas, would be ripping him to shreds.
Picard S3 is "NuTrek." They just painted it an overload of nostalgia, handed out rose coloured glasses.
He was killed moments after receiving his promotion. That's not satisfying.
True. But I also value hearing why people don't. Right now, disagreement over Season 3 is met with "tough. Change your mind."
Sadly I feel the same. Especially since Kelvin and Discovery are excoriated for "pew-pew" yet what was the finale?
It plays a lot better in the Dicaprio movie. One of the few improvements that film made.
Did someone actually say that to you? Keep in mind, in the review thread I gave the season overall a 7.5, keeping stronger seasons of TNG and DS9 in mind that aimed for more intellectual and philosophical exploration, and objectively looking at many reviews (positive and critical) across social media.
It did, however, give the finale a 10 and I stand by that. The way that it payed off everything that was set up throughout the season was very well orchestrated, and makes the other episodes quite rewatchable to see all the pieces of the puzzle. This was a competently-woven serialized arc, for once. Best finale since "What You Leave Behind" and a very satisfying end to the TNGs.
I feel like if Jack Crusher was on any other Trek show or had any other name and any other parents, he would not be getting as many passes as he's gotten from the fanbase. Also, I hate to say it and open this can of worms, but if he'd been a daughter instead of a son I also feel like the reception would have been much different.
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Oh, she'd be Mary Sue Picard, absolutely.
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It was awful lads. Take the rose tinted glasses off. And I really was hoping it would be good, but I genuinely felt no emotion at any stage because the plot made zero sense, character motivations and decisions were all over the place, the constant pandering to the old fan base started to grate.... (started? it was crap from the start). The script is absolutely nonsensical. And I know that eventually others will feel the same way.
Oh, most definitely. If Discovery had brought back the Borg and run a similar style of plot, and then in the final episode had the Borg ultimately beaten by a hug and a declaration of love from Burnham instead of Picard, the resulting howls of outrage from the fanbase would echo into the real-life 32nd century....
I feel I should mention, once again, that I generally liked the season. I had issues here and there, but overall, it was enjoyable.
What it wasn't, however, was the second coming of Star Trek. It was an enjoyable season of Trek that most definitely beat you over the head with the nostalgia hammer in a herculean effort to garner an emotional response. And it worked.
But take away that nostalgia, and it wasn't leaps and bounds better then any other season of modern Star Trek. Certainly not better then season 1 of SNW, in my opinion.
Once I realized what this season was gonna be, I just sat back and enjoyed the ride for what it was. Junk Food Star Trek. It tastes good at the time, but too much of it and you'll make yourself sick.
What it wasn't, however, was the second coming of Star Trek. It was an enjoyable season of Trek that most definitely beat you over the head with the nostalgia hammer in a herculean effort to garner an emotional response. And it worked.
But take away that nostalgia, and it wasn't leaps and bounds better then any other season of modern Star Trek. Certainly not better then season 1 of SNW, in my opinion.
Once I realized what this season was gonna be, I just sat back and enjoyed the ride for what it was. Junk Food Star Trek. It tastes good at the time, but too much of it and you'll make yourself sick.
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