Why not use the Stargazer?

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Talking of the Stargazer (the current version)...I wonder two things: 1) Who took over command after Rios disappeared, and 2) how did they explain Rios' disappearance? It's not like he left behind a body or anything.

And no, I don't think the Stargazer (any version) was ugly. To get true ugliness, you gotta go with 32nd-century Starfleet.

 

[James Cole]

Part of this is them just not having the money to really redress the Stargazer bridge to the Titan bridge. So people saw the behind the scenes pictures and just assumed the Stargazer would be the season 3 ship for months on end. Let alone Seven serving on the ship.

Using the Stargazer makes sense to bookend season 2... it has emotional relevance for Picard without using an Enterprise. Titan makes sense for season 3... history with Riker to start the plot and him be already familiar with Shaw.

Talking of the Stargazer (the current version)...I wonder two things: 1) Who took over command after Rios disappeared, and 2) how did they explain Rios' disappearance? It's not like he left behind a body or anything.

This is likely touched on in the IDW Picard: Stargazer comic, co-written by Kirsten Beyer. Haven't read it though.

 

[Wingcommanderdarkwolf01]

Talking of the Stargazer (the current version)...I wonder two things: 1) Who took over command after Rios disappeared, and 2) how did they explain Rios' disappearance? It's not like he left behind a body or anything.

And no, I don't think the Stargazer (any version) was ugly. To get true ugliness, you gotta go with 32nd-century Starfleet.

In the non canon Stargazer comic it's Captain Mekara

 

[Tuskin38]

then the Enterprise-F could have had a long career of its own.

It was 16 years old when it was retired.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

It was 16 years old when it was retired.

STO isn't canon.

 

[Sketcher]

Funny thing is, now every time I watch a clip from Season 2 of them on the Stargazer my brain automatically goes "wait, why is everyone on the Titan??"

 

[Tuskin38]

STO isn't canon.

I wasn't talking about STO.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I wasn't talking about STO.

Then what? There's nothing onscreen that specifically stated how long the Enterprise-F was in service.

And no, Matalas' tweets aren't canon either.

 

[Campe]

Using the Stargazer makes sense to bookend season 2... it has emotional relevance for Picard without using an Enterprise. Titan makes sense for season 3... history with Riker to start the plot and him be already familiar with Shaw.

Was it necessary for Riker to have that connection to Shaw or the ship though? Other than the “Hello beautiful” line (which, with the refit or rebuild or whatever you want to call it, doesn’t really make a lick of sense.), it really didn’t do a ton that couldn’t have been introduced in other ways.

Sorry, but there are a lot of interesting concepts that didn’t quite pan out that could have been handled a little better if you ask me.

 

[fireproof78]

how did they explain Rios' disappearance? It's not like he left behind a body or anything.

Lost in the line of duty.

 

[Racefuel]

Then what? There's nothing onscreen that specifically stated how long the Enterprise-F was in service.

And no, Matalas' tweets aren't canon either.

I know it's not "canon" to the canon zealots, but the only indication we have is the Picard Log update that gives when Worf stepped down as Captain of the Enterprise-E, which also itself requires people wo accept the Log that lists how and when Worf became a captain. It was mentioned that something happened in 2386 concerning the E-E and that it was "classified".

On screen we see that the E-F was slated for an "early decomissioning", so if we go by what the material put out by CBS/Paramount said..the E-F had been in service for probably 10-15 years or so.

Since we never saw the E-F's bridge in any real detail, no dedication plaque and it wasn't said in droll simplicity of "Oh yes, the Enterprise-F has only been in service for this long and it is being retired" because apparently that is what has to be done..

Yeah, we don't know how long the E-F was in service, we don't know what happened to the TItan, we don't know how long Riker was in command, we don't know a lot of things

 

[Nerys Myk]

Talking of the Stargazer (the current version)...I wonder two things: 1) Who took over command after Rios disappeared, and 2) how did they explain Rios' disappearance? It's not like he left behind a body or anything.

And no, I don't think the Stargazer (any version) was ugly. To get true ugliness, you gotta go with 32nd-century Starfleet.

Classified like the D*sc*v*ry and the Sp*r* Dr*v*.

 

[Deks]

Hell, why not keep using the Enterprise-D —it’s so old and outdated that it stomped the fricking Borg and kept working when the rest of the fleet didn’t.

The ENT-D wasn't THAT old. About 30 years old... its likely it would have sported technology upgrades up to the time frame just before the ship met its fate at Veridian III (meaning, it went through about 2 upgrade cycles since it was first launched - and I doubt Geordi placed any modern 25th century weapons or systems into it - that would have happened in SF kept the Galaxy class up and running and gave it modern upgrades - which realistically it should have done).

The Borg cube in question was only 36% operational... so, the inferior operational capacity of the cube and the general lack of collective, the Borg were in a rather precarious state and couldn't exactly offer more viable resistance or adapt as easily.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Lost in the line of duty.

But against who?

I rather doubt that any of their misadventures in 2024 will ever make it into the official log...

 

[Racefuel]

The ENT-D wasn't THAT old. About 30 years old... its likely it would have sported technology upgrades up to the time frame just before the ship met its fate at Veridian III (meaning, it went through about 2 upgrade cycles since it was first launched - and I doubt Geordi placed any modern 25th century weapons or systems into it - that would have happened in SF kept the Galaxy class up and running and gave it modern upgrades - which realistically it should have done).

The Borg cube in question was only 36% operational... so, the inferior operational capacity of the cube and the general lack of collective, the Borg were in a rather precarious state and couldn't exactly offer more viable resistance or adapt as easily.

That and the Cube hit the Enterprise around..5 or 6 solid times in that weakened state and was able to take the shields down to 68%. Geordi made it clear that something had to be done otherwise they'd be toast.

It was clear that even in its weakened, minimal state, that Cube was still more than capable of destroying the Enterprise in its condition

 

[The Wormhole]

Then what? There's nothing onscreen that specifically stated how long the Enterprise-F was in service.

And no, Matalas' tweets aren't canon either.

It's a reasonable extrapolation. We know the Enterprise E was still in service in 2379, that's when Nemesis is set. And I doubt they rebuilt the ship at the end just to decommission it. Based on information from season 1, Picard was still commanding the E right up until his promotion in 2381. So, even if the E's fate which isn't Worf's fault happened later in 2381, the F probably wouldn't have been launched any earlier than 2382, which would mean it it only had nineteen years of service before it was decommissioned, only three years longer than if you accept the Matalas tweet. So no matter how you look at it, the Enterprise F did not have "a long career of its own."

But against who?

I rather doubt that any of their misadventures in 2024 will ever make it into the official log...

A full report was likely made to the DTI who would have given Starfleet a redacted version of events. I doubt it's the first time the loss of an officer was classified. I mean, hell, the previous Starfleet ship Rios served on had its entire existence classified.

 

[Racefuel]

Decker and ilia were reported as “missing”, I doubt Kirk ever told the truth, and if he did, they’d be classified also

 

[Phily B]

They wanted a new ship and it made sense from a story perspective since the Titan was Captain Riker's ship, so he had a connection with it.

 

[Saul]

The Stargazer doesn't look like an Enterprise. I think it's that simple. Nice ship but it's not the direction they were going. If the plan wasn't to introduce the Enterprise then I can see them keeping the Stargazer. And if they were only doing the Titan it wouldn't look like the Titan-A.

 

[TedShatner10]

The Stargazer got re-assigned.