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Oh but be careful with that. Yet another definition for Woke is deciding decades or even centuries later that certain words in our vocabulary violate Wokeness and by God any one - even a thousand goddamned years ago - that uttered those words has to be excoriated and utterly removed from human history.

You could lose the Himalayas in the gap between Woke and what Star Trek was pre Kurtzman.

I think you may have missed a few points.
 
It may not just be my points you missed.

Ya know I have a limited amount of time in a day to talk all things Trek or what's been called Trek here. So I can't spend any more time in a verbal Kirk-Fu of vagueness and innuendo. But have fun with that. I'm headed back to the episode 10 thread so I can praise the finale and give credit to TM for crafting a beautiful and fulfilling final TNG movie. :borg:
 
Unfortunately or fortunately, Trek has matched many of the interpretations over the years, apart from maybe the jeans.
Indeed. The words have change but the intent is the same-people treated equality. Star Trek was trying that out, more or less successfully, long before the current struggles with terms of awakeness. And I welcome more equality not less.
 
Oh the irony of that statement. Woke is the antithesis of equality.

Nope. It is the recognition that the status quo is deeply unequal on a systemic level.

It is the advocacy of certain social or ethnic groups over others.

Nope. Wokeness is the advocacy for true equality. Those who say otherwise merely embody the maxim that "When someone is accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression."

And I could go on, but the point is made.

The point being, of course, that you really can put words in whatever order you want.
 
Nope. It is the recognition that the status quo is deeply unequal on a systemic level.[/



Nope. Wokeness is the advocacy for true equality. Those who say otherwise merely embody the maxim that "When someone is accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression."



The point being, of course, that you really can put words in whatever order you want.
 
Nope. It is the recognition that the status quo is deeply unequal on a systemic level.

Wokeness is the advocacy for true equality. Those who say otherwise merely embody the maxim that "When someone is accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression."

Not even close. It's an unabashed attempt to force the ideology of the minority onto the majority by hijacking freedom of speech. It's an attempt to blame the majority for the failures of the minority. To abolish all personal responsibility and make the strong suffer for the weak and feckless. And the methods employed are so ugly and inequitable that it savagely violates the idea of unity and segregates society into two distinct categories with no more common ground to be had. 'Woke' ideas of equality are as deeply and tragically flawed as they are purposely disingenuous.
 
Not even close. It's an unabashed attempt to force the ideology of

What ideology is that?

the minority

What minority is that?

onto the majority

What majority is that?

by hijacking freedom of speech.

Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences.

It's an attempt to blame the majority for the failures of the minority.

Oh, really? What failures? Of what minority?

To abolish all personal responsibility and make the strong suffer for the weak and feckless.

Oh, so you believe that some people are superior to others because they're "strong," huh?

And the methods employed are so ugly and inequitable that it savagely violates the idea of unity and segregates society into two distinct categories

Segregating society is what was already happening. Woke folks just call it like it is.
 
Let the record show that it was @LongHauler who brought up the question of "wokeness" for no real reason in this post:

I find the "nu Trek" and "woke" ideas to be excessively divisive and needlessly pandering towards an overly vocal minority. And that's how you ended up with a segregated fanbase like that.

Prior to this post, the topic had been whether or not a television series entitled Star Trek by the owners of the Star Trek intellectual property was "really" Star Trek.
 
Oh this might be fun.

Let the record show that it was @Racefuel who wrote the following:

I find the "real Star Trek" and "true Roddenberrian" ideas to be excessively sectarian and needlessly tribal. There's no real need to segregate the fanbase like that.

To which, I replied...

I find the "nu Trek" and "woke" ideas to be excessively divisive and needlessly pandering towards an overly vocal minority. And that's how you ended up with a segregated fanbase like that.

And that was the end of it. Or it could have been. Until a certain someone that got butthurt by the audacity of another human being not subscribing to his narrow, hate-filled world view.
 
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